Going through the ARR Relic Weapon quest has proven to be quite a time-sink, although it's definitely given me an appreciation for what it took to get these awesome weapons back in the day!
When it comes to getting ADDITIONAL Relics of the same expansion, however, I feel like it would be nice to speed things up a bit here and there, at least on the most tedious steps.
For example, once you've completed the ARR Relic, maybe working on the second and beyond, you need only complete 1-3 of the "Books", maybe you only need 50 materia instead of 75 (35+15 for PLD), and for the Light infusion, maybe the values are multiplied 5x-10x?
Or if it's not TOO much work, maybe the amount of work is a little less for EACH Relic you make, so those interested in collecting them all can actually do so in their lifetime.
As a related but SEPARATE suggestion, I would like to suggest adding BLU Relics to all LEGACY Relic Weapon quest-chains. There are multiple reasons:
1. Considering there are only a couple of "Canes" in the entire game, it should be super easy for the team to create some new designs, and apply some glowy effects.
2. It gives Blue Mages even MORE content they can run on their own, which is sort of the main draw of the Job for a lot of players!
3. It gives players an arguably "easier" path for experiencing the STORY of the Relic Weapons, particularly for players like me who primarily play jobs acquired in LATER expansions.
Now, seeing as I've yet to do a whole lot on the Bozjan front, that might mean the BLU needs a modified means of acquisition and upgrading. I don't really know how much is involved there, so that could be way more work than I realize. If that is the case, and you don't want to allow BLU's to run Bozjan content, then maybe provide Relics up through Stormblood, and they can maybe get more Relics down the road, when Bozja is so obsolete that there's no issue allow BLU's to run around there.
I think both of these suggestions would just make getting Relics way more approachable, since you wouldn't feel like "I guess I'll try and get ONE and then bounce". Or like me, I really didn't get a good enough look at the ARR Relics for WAR, and now I'm sort of regretting going for the PLD ones (in fact, WAR's have some really good Relics start to finish, although I'd say the final Shadowbringers one, Paladins have the best one).
Just my two cents!
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09-08-2021, 01:36 AMTerinI'd like to suggest speeding up REPEAT, Legacy Relics, and also adding BLU Relics
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09-08-2021, 01:49 AMXireanDepends on how easy. Part of the continued appeal of past Relics is the grind. Each one has been nerfed before so the original experience is never there anymore (not a bad thing imo). I think most people who do multiple relics though, tend to do them simultaneously. I know I did. It's a lot easier that way. As far as adding BLU relics, it would be nice though I don't think it's very likely. They aren't going back to add relics for new classes to old expansions. So the likelihood of BLU getting any seems slim to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terin
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09-08-2021, 02:23 AMRitsukoSonoda
They did nerf some of the grindy parts of the past relics like the "light" accumulation steps they either lowered the value needed or they made the gain rate higher. Some of the other steps I feel could use some trimming like the books on the ARR ones. As mentioned they don't appear to have a desire to make relic weapons for jobs that didn't exist during that expansion. For BLU I wouldn't mind a proper relic for it but I'd also like it if the weapon actually had some stats or bonus on it. At the least for BLU I'd like them to add recipes to craft BLU weapons from trials drops and do the same for jobs released after that set of trials because those crafted "weapons" are just used for glamour anyway.
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09-08-2021, 02:54 AMShougun
Some ideas to maybe go along with this (I like the OP):
BLU's canes might come with special effects, since it's a limited job the balance issue of doing this to normal jobs is not as important and you can still glamour if you don't want one passive but like the look. For example Ramuh's cane, may have a chance to strike a random enmity'd monster with lighting each time you use a magical spell. Double % if that spell is lightning element (So even if a thunder build isn't the most damage it would certainly be fun to try ;)). Cane that has a chance to duplicate the last physical spell. Debuffs the target is immune to turn into a generic DoT instead. Etc, etc.
Another idea might be some neat Beast Tribe quests (including allowing them all to scale up to the current blue cap, the rewards updating per your level). Meanwhile there might be new blue skills and content around beast tribes, even to the depths of maybe adding a beastman arena, like the FFX monster arena. Such an arena would be akin to the Carnivale but rather than so strictly constructed around specific spell gimmicks it would be a more general challenge (like if you don't have X Y Z in quite a number of Carnivale events then there is no point in doing that event, as it was strictly designed for that spell).
May think of a general challenge similar to how Diablo 3 works in the late game, where until much later (late) game you can approach it with a competent but many options build and be successful (VERY late is far more strict but many many people don't play to that level).
Then new things to spend your tokens on for each tribe, which could be things to build relics, staffs, maybe purchase passives like a FFXI / Diablo 3 horadric cube system, or even work back into generic relic systems like for 100 tokens you might upgrade the Slyph area to have a fountain. The fountain allowing you a free quantity of light (or perhaps at beast tribe token cost, allowing players to not do Totorak 500 times). The Ixali you can upgrade their ability to go out on adventures, like FC do with their airships, and you can then have them complete sections of your book for you like a squadron mechanic. An idea that might be nice to reuse old tokens as well is using them to invest back into infrastructure of the tribe (or even other tribes). Such as spending 50 tokens so the Kobold have a fancy forge. Because beast tribes have a limiter you can be both generous and not hyper-accelerated on such relic concepts, and because the relics such ideas would work for are really old it might just be more fun to do it this way lol. (Like I said rather than farming light by spamming the same thing OVER and OVER, maybe you just do your beast tribe cap occasionally making big progress each week- but not as spammy, especially might be more interesting for getting players to try the old content and if all the tribes sync their quests). -
09-08-2021, 03:34 AMTsumdere
Relics have already been nerfed. Legacy relics are easy to get. Especially since many of the steps require purchased materials and you passively gain poetics from everything. If you dedicate one of your days off to sit down and grind out the books (which are the only bad step in legacy relics), you can be done with a couple of relics in a day.
Light is a non-factor. Aurum Vale spam for ARR relics, unless either Stone Vigil or Tam-Tara are on bonus and AV is not. A9S for HW relics. Both of these methods will speed up your light farming to about an hour or two per weapon.
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09-08-2021, 03:44 AMRowde
Personally, I think BLU weapons are fine as is. You get the story progression weapon, and the challenge mode weapon (which is the typically the fancier weapon with effects).
Rather than a Relic, if BLU were to have more weapons added for the sake of glamour options, then I think they should be Achievement Rewards for undertaking certain activities with all BLU parties. Kind of like what's already been established for the Malboro Mount.
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09-08-2021, 04:25 AMRitsukoSonodaMore importantly... Allow BLU into Bozja so I can spam choco meteor on Red Comet... >.>Quote:
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09-08-2021, 05:08 AMJeeqbit
The old relic steps get nerfed after some time, so they are not as much work as they used to be. Even some of the current expansion's steps have been nerfed.
You already get to skip some of the steps for the second relic like farming stormblood content and the 30 item quests, so this idea has already been taken into account.
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09-08-2021, 05:42 AMTerinIf that ever happens, they should literally give an Achievement like "How do YOU like it...?!?":DQuote:
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09-08-2021, 06:14 AMAth192
No, they have been nerfed enough. Part of the appeal of relic weapons is the appreciation you get from working hard for them. They already hand most things out in this game like candy. Just my opinion.