At beginning of year, a player (with what seemed as a new account with a level skip) created the fc I entered 1 week after that. FC leaders told members they could complete "tasks", that were voluntary activities, all of them were centered on getting stuff to put in fc chest. That will made them earn higher rank in FC. The tasks at lower rank were simple stuff like "give xx of every shard to chest", and at higher rank were "do this stuff to get some items and put them in chest" (another member told me it took him hours to do that). I was keeping record and donations to chest between gil and shards (at market board price) were some millions of gil (I never donated anything neither did the tasks, I just stayed there to chill with people). And told the people in top ranks will get rewards in gil. At end of first month they gave rewards to people in highest ranks, like 8 millions gil in total, but it was not even close to the value of everything gathered in chest. One day they even told members that for every new member they got during that day, they would receive 100K gil, they got almost 130 members at 5 weeks after fc creation.
I left 1 month after entering the fc (just after other members left saying everything in the fc was a scam). I told in chat that if everything wasn't a scam, leaders should put everything clear, like saying in discord the total monthly income, so everyone would know how is their money moving. And if it was, indeed, a scam, I hoped there were not more people caught in that. Some hours after that the leader send me a /Tell saying she was gonna report me for harrassement. She didn't do it.
After that the member numbers dropped to 60 and stayed like that. But some months after that one of the leaders "sold" the fc to other player and only after that, they told the rest of the current members via discord.
So at the end, the leaders got lots of millions of gil for "donations", and some more for selling the house, at expenses of the members who donated voluntarily doing stuff that took hours.
The new fc/house ownder said they don't know anything regarding the actions of the old leader. They changed the name and have been using it for a small number of friends.
Today I saw one of the former leaders in limsa /shouting inviting people to her fc, that has the same name as the older one, it was created 5 days ago and they have 20 members, but there isn't any of the old members that were inside it until it was sold (like the members are dispensable gil-makers).
It's obvious that what they're doing is wrong, and it's highly probable they wanna grab a lot of the new players that are starting playing the game those weeks, maybe (maybe not) to do the same gil-grabbing scheme.
But I don't know if the actions of both leaders are bannable/reportable or not.
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07-26-2021, 12:29 PMKHELL-CHEVEREIs this bannable? FC leader got "voluntary" donations of millions of gil in 1 month
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07-26-2021, 12:39 PMBacent
That sounds exactly like a pyramid scheme.
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07-26-2021, 12:40 PMKrotoan
Sounds like they're exploiting people to me. This is against the rules of the game.
Go for it. Report em in game. Let the GM's sort it out. -
07-26-2021, 01:02 PMweebtext
That's sus as hell, it seems pretty obvious that the leader engages in RMT as well as scamming. Absolutely report that.
I wonder if the leader calls people 'hun'...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacent
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07-26-2021, 01:02 PMAnhra
The short answer to your Question is: No, it is not.
The somewhat longer Answer is: Unfortunately, from what i can tell from your Post, any form of Donation people did towards the FC, were on a voluntary basis, and handing out Items pretty much seals the deal as a legit trade action between players. The fact that Members even got a part of the actual value refunded is just a bonus to make the building up of a FC more bearable. While it can be nice to build up together a FC together with a bunch of People, from FC House to Building Projects, do keep always in mind that no matter the FC rights People are given, at the end of the day, it is still the FC leaders property.
Personally, those kind of FC's do sound nice on paper, but that system only works if it is being made by a close circle of Friends and if the FC also plans to keep their membercount low.
Therefore, The lesson of today: ALWAYS read the smaller printed text of any Contract you sign up for. -
07-26-2021, 02:05 PMTribalReturns
Sounds like favor for favor to me. Don't like it don't partake, simple.
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07-26-2021, 02:12 PMSeera1024This. Unless you can get the FC leader to admit in chat that it's a scam, they likely wouldn't be able to do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anhra
Because while it may look like it's a scam, it may just be someone who is bad at managing an FC and sought to restart the FC to try to move past the scam accusations. -
07-26-2021, 02:27 PMAlxyzntlctThat’s the problem though, it was supposed to be “favor for favor” except the FC leaders didn’t follow through on their end of the bargain (aka, sharing back to the people who contributed).Quote:
Originally Posted by TribalReturns
This does sound like exploitation and I agree with some of the other posters, this feels like something that should be reported. This is exactly the kind of shenanigans that can ruin players’ experience of the game and shouldn’t be allowed. -
07-26-2021, 04:44 PMRoeshel
I really doubt that you can ban people for taking advantage of the stupidity of others in-game.
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07-26-2021, 04:53 PMKrotoanI would say it's probably against this rule:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roeshel
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3.6 Any Illegal Activities. You may not conduct any illegal activities whatsoever in connection with the Game. This includes every illegal activity not specifically highlighted above, including without limitation gambling, defamation, harassment, and fraud.