Scholar

Heyaz, everyone~

Just got Scholar and I love it! He's perfect for lvling dungeons (which are mostly Sasha, TamTa and Copper for me), but I struggle with him on anything higher then Hauke. I have no problems keeping everyone topped as WHM, but I struggle with Scholar.

Any advice? My gear is all stuff from Qarn.

your struggle in low leveled content comes from the fact that SCH originally was a job that traded defence for offence. your heal's potencies were lower than WHM or AST but your higher damage potential used to make up for it. I say used to because as all SCH players know.. as of SHB, the job lost almost all of that damage, but received NO changes to its older heals to make up for that loss, so sadly you're gonna struggle before you get to lv 62.

all I can recommend is that you make sure your gear is up to par. in lower levels (before lv 45), you're kinda stuck spamming physick since you no longer have the option to help deal damage by using miasma/bio and then bane to spread them to the mobs (like how current arcanist plays). Most of the time just give tank an adloquium before he pulls, and use physick to keep him topped off while throwing in an extra adloq every now and then. if you need to burst him back up, use the good ole combo of adloq + lustrate (lv 45). if your tank does a big pull, don't forget your fairy's regen skill Whispering Dawn, it helps with some of the damage coming in.

At level 58 you get Emergency tactics, which can turn your adloq into a stronger heal with no shield, so you can use that to help burst tanks back up with E-tactic Adloq + lustrate. at 62 you get excogitation, the best healing skill SCH has to offer. lv 70-80 your healing kit gets strong enough to match the other healers, but the balance of offence vs defence gameplay of SHB SCH for ARR and HW leveling kit has been destroyed.

hopefully Square realises this soon and brings back miasma/bane for SCH, cuz those spells really helped SCH make up for the lower potency heals compared to WHM and AST during the leveling process.

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Originally Posted by bundythenoob

hopefully Square realises this soon and brings back miasma/bane for SCH, cuz those spells really helped SCH make up for the lower potency heals compared to WHM and AST during the leveling process.

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Can we stop trying to perpetuate the DPS myth? SCH Healing potency was lower than WHM because they were supposed to be a companion Healer for WHM in Full Parties. SCH Shields to blunt the incoming damage, WHM topped the party up.

Damage had nothing to do with it.
SCH DPS was a consequence of it deriving from Arcanist, which was a Damage Dealer.

SCH was never meant to push huge healing numbers like a WHM can because it was designed to prevent damage, reducing the need for large Heals. That changed when SE added AST and needed to make all 3 healers equally capable since you only need 2 Healers per Full Party. At this point, all 3 Healers can do as much damage and Healing as each other, we just go about Healing in different ways.

SE won't push Healer DPS because we only focus so much on it as players at endgame because encounter design leaves huge gaps in required Healing that are easily covered by oGCDs.

For the OP, Adloq may be expensive, but the Shield it plants is extremely strong at lower levels. As long as the Tank is the only one taking hits, Your Fairy will restore HP while damage is being prevented by the Shield.
It's not about keeping the Tank full, just keep them safe. If the Tank is severely damaged, Adloq and then Physik while the Shield holds is your safest way to keep them alive. Crit Adlo's can plant shields as high as 50% of the tanks total HP (Just watch the yellow bar when you use Adloq, you'll see). So use it often while keeping Lucid Dreaming and Aetherflow on cooldown to keep your MP up.

Just remember that for as much as these forums scream about Healer DPS, your Tanks life is more important. Never prioritise damage over Healing.
You will naturally learn to find damage windows as you get more comfortable with what your heals are capable of.

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Originally Posted by ZeSeKa

Heyaz, everyone~

Just got Scholar and I love it! He's perfect for lvling dungeons (which are mostly Sasha, TamTa and Copper for me), but I struggle with him on anything higher then Hauke. I have no problems keeping everyone topped as WHM, but I struggle with Scholar.

Any advice? My gear is all stuff from Qarn.

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Here's my advice. Think more like a tank. You want to cycle your cooldowns to keep damage flow steadied as opposed to reactively bursting. While it can feel weirder at lower levels when you're still missing alot of your cooldowns. You still have one or two of them. Try to get into the mindset of being preemptive as opposed to reactive. The cooldowns are there and should be used as opposed to held on to.

pre-40 you more or less only have Whispering dawn as far as cooldowns go. Try to use it early and often as the regen helps you significantly, especially at the start of the packs where the tank is taking the most of their damage.

Shields, they should definitely be used, but not over used. Adloquium on the tanks is enough of a buffer to allow you to get at least some amount of damage out before needing to heal the tank. However, the fastest way to run out of mp is to lean to heavily.


And lastly, do try to get into the habit of dpsing as well, a dead mob does zero dps. Even if it was allegedly "better" back in the day with more dps skills, you can still dot mobs at the start and nuke a target until your tank needs healing. It can take a but of feeling and gauging your tank to get used to but the more you do it the more comfortable and intuitive it becomes. And like I said, a dead mob does zero dps, the faster you can help kill without killing the tank the safer he'll be in the long run.

fairy should be doing most the work throwing out a Adlo here and there
also if you are not using Whispering dawn you really should
it helps alot

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Can we stop trying to perpetuate the DPS myth? SCH Healing potency was lower than WHM because they were supposed to be a companion Healer for WHM in Full Parties. SCH Shields to blunt the incoming damage, WHM topped the party up.

Damage had nothing to do with it.
SCH DPS was a consequence of it deriving from Arcanist, which was a Damage Dealer.

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nobody is trying to push any sort of "DPS narrative". In fact, I didn't even recommend she do dps. i recommended her to focus on healing and gave her some of the standard SCH combos to get her going. of course she is naturally going to learn to do more damage as she gets more confident in her healing, but understanding the fundamental proactive healing playstyle of SCH is more important than that.

As for your argument of SCH having weaker heals because it was a "cohealer", not all content in this game is 8 man, so having a "cohealer" in the healer slot for 4 man content wouldn't do so well if it wasn't given stronger DPS to compensate. Its always possible that the "cohealer" idea belonged to one dev team, but the other dev teams must have decided to incorporate more damage to compensate when they noticed that the job would underperform in 4 man content. Nothing is certain with Square Enix, since they release no info, and their dev team have been known to have big disconnects with both the playerbase and even amongst themselves. you can even see in her original post that she said she has no trouble healing as WHM but struggles as SCH in the same content. I wonder why that is? maybe due to lower heals that used to be made up by higher damage to compensate? hmm..

Either way, I don't want this thread to devolve into arguing back and forth over "pure healer vs green dps" because there's enough ingame proof from both NPCs and from the design of the content itself that encourages healers to DPS in their downtime.

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Originally Posted by bundythenoob

nobody is trying to push any sort of "DPS narrative". In fact, I didn't even recommend she do dps. i recommended her to focus on healing and gave her some of the standard SCH combos to get her going. of course she is naturally going to learn to do more damage as she gets more confident in her healing, but understanding the fundamental proactive healing playstyle of SCH is more important than that.

As for your argument of SCH having weaker heals because it was a "cohealer", not all content in this game is 8 man, so having a "cohealer" in the healer slot for 4 man content wouldn't do so well if it wasn't given stronger DPS to compensate. Its always possible that the "cohealer" idea belonged to one dev team, but the other dev teams must have decided to incorporate more damage to compensate when they noticed that the job would underperform in 4 man content. Nothing is certain with Square Enix, since they release no info, and their dev team have been known to have big disconnects with both the playerbase and even amongst themselves. you can even see in her original post that she said she has no trouble healing as WHM but struggles as SCH in the same content. I wonder why that is? maybe due to lower heals that used to be made up by higher damage to compensate? hmm..

Either way, I don't want this thread to devolve into arguing back and forth over "pure healer vs green dps" because there's enough ingame proof from both NPCs and from the design of the content itself that encourages healers to DPS in their downtime.

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it could very well be the fact that sch has a different toolkit and shes simply not used to it compared to whm. Sch has always been more about mitigation and being proactive compared to whm.

Whispering dawn is available every minute and last 20ish seconds so only 40sec of downtime, use as much as possible!
Not sure of your level but once you have Aetherflow at lv45, keep in on cooldown. I like to use it every 2 bio refreshes (One for lucid, one for Aetherflow)
And you don't need to keep everyone topped off :)

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Can we stop trying to perpetuate the DPS myth? SCH Healing potency was lower than WHM because they were supposed to be a companion Healer for WHM in Full Parties. SCH Shields to blunt the incoming damage, WHM topped the party up.
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Sigh. . . it was lower because the fairy was supposed to augment it. Not because WHM was supposed to.

if you're enjoying things at quarn, you should buckle up--because the rest of your career for SCH will be exactly the same all the way to 80.