Housing Ownership System Abuse

An entire ward and subdivision bought up by 1 person FCs under the same tag so they can have their "rp city" on Spriggan. The GMs are hand-waving going "it's not a violation of the system". It's certainly a blatant and knowledgeable abuse of the system though. This shouldn't be allowed and SE need to get their GMs to tighten up on it.
https://i.imgur.com/lk6SIOy.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/o1ngYpN.png

It hasn't even been a week since the last gripe fest about this. Can we just not.

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Originally Posted by Sylvastreak

...GMs are ... going "it's not a violation of the system".... SE need to get their GMs to tighten up on it.

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If GMs say it's not against the rules, it's probably not against the rules.

Launching a targeted harassment campaign on the forums, though, just might be against the rules. We will find out shortly.

You may want to remove the player name from the second screenshot. You may be banned for naming and shaming if you don't.

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Originally Posted by Catstab

If GMs say it's not against the rules, it's probably not against the rules.

Launching a targeted harassment campaign on the forums, though, just might be against the rules. We will find out shortly.

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I have yet to see anyone post a copy of a conversation with a GM where the GM states it's not against the rules. I've only seen copies of conversations where the GMs state that it's outside of their scope of responsibilities and express personal opinions using phrases like "I believe", which is not the same as "the development team has confirmed it's okay".

GMs are human and can make mistakes. Their knowledge extends only to what they are taught as part of their job training. When we've got posted rules on the official website stating otherwise, I'd rather see the development team issue an official statement stating that it is not against the rules than take a GM's word on a subject they admit is not part of their job..

You are correct, though. No use bringing a specific situation up in the forums because that is against the forums rules. Players are better off sticking to expressing their dissatisfaction with the general situation than going into names of characters and FCs. If they want to report what they believe is a violation of the rules, they need to do it through the proper channels (which does not include the forums). The forums are for suggestions and player discussion, not violation reports.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I have yet to see anyone post a copy of a conversation with a GM where the GM states it's not against the rules.

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While the OP doesn't post it, apparently a GM told them it was "not a violation of the system." Which would mean exactly that. I can't attest that they aren't paraphrasing, though.

The simple fact is that reporting to a GM is the only way to police other players. If a GM declines to take action and also declines to escalate the matter, it is not appropriate to then publicly complain about the supposed violation while naming the player involved.

PSA: The same is true when you suspect you have encountered a bot in game. Go to the support desk and report cheating - say you suspect third party programs, say why. Do not ever publicly declare in the in-game chat that you believe another player is a bot. This may possibly be determined to be defamation, which SE has been known to take action on.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You may want to remove the player name from the second screenshot. You may be banned for naming and shaming if you don't.

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good point, doing now. Even though they are the one organising all of it.

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Originally Posted by ramsesh

It hasn't even been a week since the last gripe fest about this. Can we just not.

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How about we continue griping so that players might understand that this is a) a problem and b) not something that should be condoned? Might get through to them quicker than going to SE "give us instanced housing!" which past apartments is likely to never happen given that the servers are already going to struggle with more wards being added.

Brought this up in another thread...

Instances have a limit to the number of players be that inside the house or out of it..

If enough people are tired of these kingpin mafia style house hoarders you could flood the instance once the demolition time is back up and keep it full.. youd need to stay for over a month without logging out but it would force them to lose their house..

With how many people afk in Limsa and never leave i don't think it would be impossible lol

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Originally Posted by Sylvastreak

How about we continue griping so that players might understand that this is a) a problem and b) not something that should be condoned? Might get through to them quicker than going to SE "give us instanced housing!" which past apartments is likely to never happen given that the servers are already going to struggle with more wards being added.

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SE already knows we're short on housing. Saying "We need housing, 5,040 houses per server is not enough to fit the average 24,000 characters on NA servers" is legitimate feedback. And they are listening.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...f3579a73d109cf

Players who own houses currently are not the problem. Naming and shaming isn't the solution. If you think another player has broken the rules, report them so GMs can investigate.