How has your mindset changed with regards to other players since your started the ga?

My perception of people has differed greatly from ARR time.

General Players:
I've gotten more cynical over the years and just move on, someone's doing something stupid gee must be a day that ends in y, but I do still have fun with random people even to this day just now more people seem to be afraid to open their mouth.

Tank players:
I come to expect big pulls as an automatic thing now, by making things more accessible I expect more from the individual since it is not as hard as having to Flash spam anymore.

Healers:
I expect healers to dps as a given now, anyone not even attempting DoTs I find incredibly selfish and wasting my time no matter how good healing they do, this wasn't the case when og cleric was thing because of how punishing it was on a misclick, harpens back to tank note by making it more accessible I expect more outta people.

Dps:
I expect them to eat more aoes than ever before, idk why my opinion is so low but I certainly didn't expect them eating dirt as much years ago


Just how I have gradually changed through the community how about you all?

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

My perception of people has differed greatly from ARR time.

General Players:
I've gotten more cynical over the years and just move on, someone's doing something stupid gee must be a day that ends in y, but I do still have fun with random people even to this day just now more people seem to be afraid to open their mouth.

Tank players:
I come to expect big pulls as an automatic thing now, by making things more accessible I expect more from the individual since it is not as hard as having to Flash spam anymore.

Healers:
I expect healers to dps as a given now, anyone not even attempting DoTs I find incredibly selfish and wasting my time no matter how good healing they do, this wasn't the case when og cleric was thing because of how punishing it was on a misclick, harpens back to tank note by making it more accessible I expect more outta people.

Dps:
I expect them to eat more aoes than ever before, idk why my opinion is so low but I certainly didn't expect them eating dirt as much years ago


Just how I have gradually changed through the community how about you all?

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When i started: oh boy the people in this game are so friendly and nice, there is no toxicity at all
When i start progging a tough fight in pf: Meh we are all humans its ok were training mistakes happen
7 days later trying to clear(varies from person to person): If i see 1 more godamn fcking death in this piss easy fight on the first part of this fight i swear to god im gonna find you and get really family friendly on your ass
Me after going to the forums: This community isnt league of legends toxic, Its my kid brother who is moms favourite asks to play on my game and deleted my 100% save and i cant slap his stupid face kind of toxic.

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Oh and ive also gained an appreciation for new players doing ex, most are better than some older players ive seen, i just wish the game would have a better auto translate tool cause language barrier is pretty hard to deal with and can screw over even the most basic of guildhests.

When I first started playing, I used to get a bit frustrated with people messing up.

Now I kinda like it. It's more entertaining, uneventful runs are the norm, so when something is a little bad/different, it instantly becomes more fun.

When I started, I was worried everyone was judging my every movement. I thought they cared so much about what I was doing.

Now, I realize they don't care. As long as I'm doing what I'm supposed to and own up to it when I do mess up.

I've become less jaded. When I started, these people are just here for me to get Tomes or tokens or whatever. Now I'm like, these are precious babies and I'm the only thing standing between them killing themselves and me.

When I first started playing I really didn't know what to think simply because I didn't know much. I didn't have clear expectations. I joined late HW and played SCH up until around Lakshmi before I started maining DRG. I still preferred larger pulls back then but couldn't really give any opinions on anything because I didn't know enough. I only really knew SCH and DRG, that was it.

Nowadays my expectations are far higher and it does help that I have a sturdy understanding of most jobs in the game. I expect significantly more from players that have other jobs at 80, especially other jobs within the same role. Most of my expectations come from, similar to the OP, that most of the jobs/roles have been simplified significantly and made far more accessible. I expect players with more play time to be able to carry their weight at a bare minimum. Please keep in mind I'm talking about 71+ content, as lower level content is very different.

Tanks I expect big pulls most of the time. With how many additional strong cooldowns have been added to the game (Arms Length, Reprisal) there should rarely be an issue with taking damage to the point that it becomes overwhelming, especially considering some tanks (DRK, WAR at 76+) are incredibly powerful in dungeons and should almost never die. Tank stance no longer contributes to damage or defense so that's completely free now. Positioning... I'd just hope tanks understand enough to keep the boss more or less in one spot and not continuously rotate the boss. If they have other jobs at 80, god forbid other melee DPS, I expect this even more.

Healers are far more accessible this expansion (not in a good way, in my opinion). The topic of "Healers should DPS" isn't even a question to me, I expect healers to use DoTs at a MINIMUM regardless of experience in all content, and that's something I'll regularly comment on if i see healers not doing that.

DPS I only ask that I don't carry the damage contribution in the group. DPS I generally have the most gripes with in Duty Finder, especially in leveling dungeons because so often I see them not using their full kit remotely. I've lost count of the amount of times I've had BRDs that don't use songs at all (I got in an argument with one at 75 two days ago), or people just not using AoE skills. I shouldn't have to tell people when they should be AoEing... and don't get me started on players who have other DPS at 80 meanwhile I do double their damage on NIN........ Oh, and ranged physical/casters being in Narnia while I try to heal on AST.

Leveling dungeons frustrate me far more than raids ever have. It blows my mind how people think it's justifiable to queue into content with 0 knowledge of their job and literally just don't care. Leveling jobs is the sole reason why I've come to be progressively more frustrated with the community/players these days...

I started on the 12th.
I think the game is fun.
Until I got yanked into a pull by rescue, and that revealed a lot of things to me about the players. 'You aren't playing in an expected way, so I'm gonna make you play the way I want you to play.

Then I joined my first FC. It was a girl trap, just a bunch of losers recruiting female characters and then badgering them for gender confirmation. Then because I was level 80, it was expected that I already had ALL things unlocked and ready to go, much to peoples disappointment when I didn't.. I bailed after 3 days, just..no. Feels like that too - what you're born as is a biggggg deal in this game, but why..? Why should it matter?

Raiding and MSQ roulette appears to be all anyone wants to do.
I feel like all around me don't like the game.

I don't expect much from others except treat me and others around me well.

Things went on a rapid decline and that scares me.

Can't say I've developed a more cynical take on the playerbase over time. Nothing really dictates that a game will somehow not have rude people, especially when it's popular. I could tell right away that overall the community is friendly, but of course not everyone is going to abide by that. It's the internet. Though all in all, the only thing that has changed about me is, having played everything to cap and explored almost every facet of the game, is that I can better rationalize my empathy. That is to say, I know the common mistakes, and I know what people of a certain job want to achieve, and I know how first time experiences for things usually look. It means I am better able to support them or catch them on their fall.

Generally I have only had my perception of the community better over the near two years I've been here. I never had an illusion some people won't somehow have bad behaviour; you see it on the forum, Reddit, social media, etc. Of course it can happen in game as well when you have millions of active players where some of them can have undiagnosed mental health problems, experience a bad day, a super toxic mindset, or in general just a really bad attitude. Life will have people with circumstances they struggle with, can't help, or have no interest in doing anything about, and you'll find them on FFXIV or out in the wild. For me that doesn't diminish the fact that for a really popular online game FFXIV's community is relatively good.

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Originally Posted by Quintessa

I started on the 12th.
I think the game is fun.
Until I got yanked into a pull by rescue, and that revealed a lot of things to me about the players. 'You aren't playing in an expected way, so I'm gonna make you play the way I want you to play.

Then I joined my first FC. It was a girl trap, just a bunch of losers recruiting female characters and then badgering them for gender confirmation. Then because I was level 80, it was expected that I already had ALL things unlocked and ready to go, much to peoples disappointment when I didn't.. I bailed after 3 days, just..no. Feels like that too - what you're born as is a biggggg deal in this game, but why..? Why should it matter?

Raiding and MSQ roulette appears to be all anyone wants to do.
I feel like all around me don't like the game.

I don't expect much from others except treat me and others around me well.

Things went on a rapid decline and that scares me.

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I feel ya, the game community comes off clique-y, like ff11 has bad apples, but ouch. No one likes to have open dialog in this game. Im questioning if i should continue playing as dungeon after dungeon ive been expected to pull big, or deal with big pulls regardless how i feel. No one talk, and any form of talking outside of hello is met with hostility.
Most i try to say is im new, ask questions, or try to point out my difficulties due to their gear, or asking tank to aoe, as my face was getting munched due to them single targeting in 3+ groups.

Had several people come at me in pm after dungeons to berate me too, not even doing anything wrong either. Just asked they vote kick me since we has difference in playstyle, or thought my request to aoe was an offense to god.

Ever since the desaster that was the Gordias raid tier back in Heavenward the players changed. Before that it was alot more relaxed even in ex/raid content compared to nowadays where it's already the end of the world if you dare to make a mistake after seeing a mechanic once which is why I stoped doing them.
Even in dungeons people are so obsessed with efficiency that I either turn chat off or just go in with trusts.

I don't think the XIV community is actually any less toxic then the average MMO community.

It's just that GMs being aggressive when it comes to social hostility means that most of it takes place in private chats instead.

As far as how I view people goes, I'm more critical of people playing their classes properly now that I've maxed out everything and understand the fundamentals of every class, but I'm not going to say anything to them unless it's actively hindering the group to a huge degree (Like tanks not provoking or healers not using Esuna when it's needed).