Let's talk about last boss of FF VIII [spoilery things] and implementation in FF XIV.

I feel little uncomfortable, because not everyone beat Final Fantasy VIII, what means, not everybody know how this battle proceeded. So if you do not want to spoil anything yourself from FF VIII and potentially from FF XIV, leave this topic.

Like now.


I want to talk about your ideas about how battle with Ultimecia will be implemented in FF XIV? Battle with Ultimecia stick with me because I expect her to have second, maybe third form. But I never suspected that she will have 5 different forms. Every form has own music theme, mechanics and in 3 from 5 cases, own battleground. Every time when I "beat" her I put my controller away, thinking it was the end, but it wasn't. When I finally destroyed her in climatic finalle, I was exhausted, but it was so satisfying and memorable experience.

What is your idea of implement about battle with Ultimecia, that will have the same feeling of surprice? In that way, that will be faithfull to original but could be surprice even for someone that beat FF VIII?

Speaking for myself, I imagine it that:

• After beating first form of Ultimecia, it changes to another as we saw in other battles in the past.
• After second form, it looks like you beat her for good ("fanfare cutscene", UI information), but it's fake and turn out it's just beginning for next phase.
• The same for next two forms.
• After that everything is the same after somebody goes to "exit from dungeon" and everything goes to Final form of Ultimecia from FF VIII.
• But beating her is not the end. It's FF XIV not FF VIII so after Final Form of Ultimecia from FF VIII you fight her Final Form for FF XIV, so even FF VIII players will be surprised :p
  
• Every step has own music theme, battleground, mechanics.
• Whole battle is as long as Preatorium. Because why not :d

These are just ideas. They cost nothing. Instead of real production. So these are things what I would to see in game, but not what I realistically expects or demand (lol). Some of these are realistic, some not very much. But let's just release horses of your imagination. How you imagine battle with Ultimecia in FF XIV?

Sorry for butchering english.

I expect that E11 will be Griever as a voidsent.
Then E12 will be Gaia (possessed by Ultimecia from the Void), who will transition into Ultimecia proper, with a similar sort of red-herring cutscene you describe.
E12S will add a third phase in the middle where Gaia merges with Griever.

They could handle it the same way they handled the Kefka fight, which pretty smoothly transitions between his 'phases' in the original game as you slowly climb the god statue. Course that 'climb' isn't an option here to mask the different phases but it's a pretty solid example that they can handle it, because they've shown themselves capable of smashing several largely different phases of a long boss fight into something compact before. It'd just take some extra wiggle room, with perhaps some of her 'phases' being exemplified by either adds or attacks. Though they'd likely save the last 'form' for savage.

Ultimecia was thrown in there. The story made sense until she popped up.

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

Ultimecia was thrown in there. The story made sense until she popped up.

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She wasn't "thrown in" she was in the game from disc one, we only learned it was her in disc 3 though. If you retrospectively look at the story you see the hints as far back as disc one.

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

She wasn't "thrown in" she was in the game from disc one, we only learned it was her in disc 3 though. If you retrospectively look at the story you see the hints as far back as disc one.

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I think part of the problem is her implementation. While there are hints of her existence for the most part she's largely a non-presence until disc 3, and her integration into the story up until that point really isn't the best handled. She's nowhere near as bad as Necron and Yu Yevon, I still am scratching my head over both of them even if Yu Yevon at least made some sense beyond some allegorical death analogue, but for people who had issues with FF8's story her sudden presence really seemed to only exasperate existing problems rather than tie up any relevant plot threads. It's kinda why I hope all episodes of FF7Remake are successful, because if they handle the changes well in that remake they might consider going back and 'fixing' the parts of FF8 that need some tune ups to help the story (and Ultimecia's entire arc) flow a bit better.

honestly I'm just waiting for the XIV rendition of liberi fatali.

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Originally Posted by Enla

I think part of the problem is her implementation. While there are hints of her existence for the most part she's largely a non-presence until disc 3, and her integration into the story up until that point really isn't the best handled. She's nowhere near as bad as Necron and Yu Yevon, I still am scratching my head over both of them even if Yu Yevon at least made some sense beyond some allegorical death analogue, but for people who had issues with FF8's story her sudden presence really seemed to only exasperate existing problems rather than tie up any relevant plot threads. It's kinda why I hope all episodes of FF7Remake are successful, because if they handle the changes well in that remake they might consider going back and 'fixing' the parts of FF8 that need some tune ups to help the story (and Ultimecia's entire arc) flow a bit better.

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The Problem 8 has is that overall it is half of the story. They cut a lot of the Laguna side, reducing it to the small sections that we get, i think perhaps that would have explained it. I don't see it as much of an issue, as to me its a twist we weren't expecting. Necron though.. that literally came out of nowhere.

I really hope they do remake 8, its got so much potential. But then it is my favorite so I do have rose-tinted nostalgia ridden goggles on when I consider it.

if the final boss is not Ultimecia imma be a sad rabbit... wouldn't mind Edea tbh, she actually matches Gaia's color scheme better

I kinda hope we get an Adel like fight where Ryne or Gaia is fused to the boss, so you gotta keep her alive while killing the boss