DF EX is faceroll, Eden Normal is Faceroll and then savage gates players

DF EX is no where near "expert" difficulty. Difficulty needs to be increased, and same goes for Eden normal. It's too much of a jump in difficulty when entering Eden Savage. Eden normal should be at a difficulty where you feel comfortable jumping into savage.

You make normal too difficult and you make the people asking for difficulty options for msq fights upset. Are you trying to give them anxiety OP?

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Originally Posted by Saranade

DF EX is no where near "extreme". Difficulty needs to be increased, and sam goes for Eden normal. It's too much of a jump in difficulty when entering Eden Savage. Eden normal should be at a difficulty where you feel comfortable jumping into savage.

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No. Eden Normal should be at a level that most players should be able to complete if they want to. SAVAGE should not.
Extreme Roulette is simply the 80s dungeons. Nothing more, nothing less. They just aren't in the standard roulette at this time.


Just my 2c.

The bridge between Ex and Savage is there, its just that a lot of players do EX with minimum effort requirements only to get shocked when they can't do so in Savage.

The thing with savage as a whole is that it generally is unforgiving with mechanics when people are dead on the floor due to required presence of usually 8 players. Damage and healing requirements aren't as steep on floor 1 and 2, so there is plenty of room for error, while floor 3 and 4 generally expect you to know your role.

Savage isn't for everyone, so no.

The gateway to savage is extreme primals. I'd say they're close enough for a beginner to gain confidence in the skills they need to learn savage.

There is no Extreme roulette. Expert just means "current level cap dungeons".

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

There is no Extreme roulette. Expert just means "current level cap dungeons".

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I dunno there is getting extreme trials in mentor roullete ;)

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Originally Posted by Saranade

Eden normal should be at a difficulty where you feel comfortable jumping into savage.

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Definitely not.

It should be (and is) like this: Normal Primals -> Eden normal -> Ex Primals -> Eden savage.
Within savage you have a difficulty progression as well. The first one should be possible if you know how to play at, say 75% of a classes' potential. Esp later in the patch when you overgear stuff to a rather significant degree.

If you make normal harder, randomly thrown together DF groups would fail to clear it and all you'd have accomplished would be the pointless addition of another difficulty setting for organized groups.

BTW: It is savage. You are not supposed to feel comfortable when you are inexperienced. The mobs are supposed to wipe the floor with newcomers.

The place ether really need to add some mid tier difficulty is in 4 man content... there is simply no challenging 4 man stuff in the game and I think it would be content the highest % of the playerbase would enjoy who run out of stuff to do because they don’t savage.

I can totally agree there should be some level of difficulty between how easy 4 man dungeons are and how hard savage 8 man is..