Can We Talk about how PF on Aether Locks out NIN for E4S

so i'v noticed Alot oF ppl saying just wait for Ninja buffs but when??? the PFs black list Ninjas for entering Titan Savage... at all and its like hey you don't have to do the content. so i have to sit here and wait for said promise buffs...while this nonesense Locking out nins happening. Ps. DNC is open slot i noticed on all fights.... so yeah thanks yoshi p glad you silenced everyone with hope for NIN buffs would of liked a date of when it was happening....

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Originally Posted by Nielk

so i'v noticed Alot oF ppl saying just wait for Ninja buffs but when??? the PFs black list Ninjas for entering Titan Savage... at all and its like hey you don't have to do the content. so i have to sit here and wait for said promise buffs...while this nonesense Locking out nins happening. Ps. DNC is open slot i noticed on all fights.... so yeah thanks yoshi p glad you silenced everyone with hope for NIN buffs would of liked a date of when it was happening....

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5.08 and 5.1.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

5.08 and 5.1.

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okay what month and day ? like a small emergency buff would of been nice like ast got one before.

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Originally Posted by Nielk

okay what month and day ? like a small emergency buff would of been nice like ast got one before.

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5.1 will probably arrive early-mid October, just like 4.1 did 2 years ago. The major patches tend to be on roughly a 3 month cycle, and October happens to be 3 months from ShB's launch. BLM, SAM, and SMN had a similar problem in SB and they didn't even get fully fixed in 4.1, hell, BLM was being buffed all the way to 4.4 so don't expect miracles in 5.1 either. It will get nice buffs, but it probably won't be perfect.

Whatever they have cooking is probably fairly significant to all classes involved, but they seemed to draw special attention to NIN and SMN, with NIN getting something more major for Ninjutsu and Trick Attack, and who knows what's happening to the hot mess that is Summoner at this point.

As for the timing of 5.08, good luck with that guess, the patches in between major ones tend to be very arbitrary and chosen when the patch is ready moreso than on a schedule. But I'd bet sometime around early september.

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Originally Posted by Taranok

5.1 will probably arrive early-mid October, just like 4.1 did 2 years ago. The major patches tend to be on roughly a 3 month cycle, and October happens to be 3 months from ShB's launch. BLM, SAM, and SMN had a similar problem in SB and they didn't even get fully fixed in 4.1, hell, BLM was being buffed all the way to 4.4 so don't expect miracles in 5.1 either. It will get nice buffs, but it probably won't be perfect.

Whatever they have cooking is probably fairly significant to all classes involved, but they seemed to draw special attention to NIN and SMN, with NIN getting something more major for Ninjutsu and Trick Attack, and who knows what's happening to the hot mess that is Summoner at this point.

As for the timing of 5.08, good luck with that guess, the patches in between major ones tend to be very arbitrary and chosen when the patch is ready moreso than on a schedule. But I'd bet sometime around early september.

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TY TY , sorry for being upset but being blamed for Party Low Dps Because Being a NInja is a little upsetting but yeah guess it'll be a while so right now it feels like i should unsub or keep making my pfs... keeps getting NINbad Meme /tells. which is rather annoying, its hardly any fun proving too ppl i can hold my own in fights when they wipe its automatically the NINbad fault. i just hope Square Enix learns from this.

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Originally Posted by Nielk

TY TY , sorry for being upset but being blamed for Party Low Dps Because Being a NInja is a little upsetting but yeah guess it'll be a while so right now it feels like i should unsub or keep making my pfs... keeps getting NINbad Meme /tells. which is rather annoying, its hardly any fun proving too ppl i can hold my own in fights when they wipe its automatically the NINbad fault. i just hope Square Enix learns from this.

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You're just passionate about your class and upset about how it's designed right now, not because the class doesn't mesh with you, but because the class is legitimately in a bad spot. I get it, I'm in the same area with SMN. All we can do right now is be patient, provide feedback, and hope that 5.08 and 5.1 fixes a lot of what's broken about these classes. And if/when they're not fixed, we complain until the inevitable rework in 6.0, since it's clear SMN probably needs a major rework while NIN probably needs a minor rework that they will botch, break the class, and then do a major rework in 7.0 as they try to bring it back to what made it great in ARR and HW while keeping the shiny new naruto toys they keep giving it.

I have to admit, during SB launch was the balance this whack? I didn’t join this game til the very end of SB.

But when I looked at logs and more numbers were closer together, RDM was 1100 dps apart and now 2700 apart from BLM.

Is it normal for balance to start this whacky? RDM and ninjas are basically benched by the community but these are the two who seem so far helped the least?

While monks and stuff overperform and seem to be the fotm

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Originally Posted by Drayos

I have to admit, during SB launch was the balance this whack? I didn’t join this game til the very end of SB.

But when I looked at logs and more numbers were closer together, RDM was 1100 dps apart and now 2700 apart from BLM.

Is it normal for balance to start this whacky? RDM and ninjas are basically benched by the community but these are the two who seem so far helped the least?

While monks and stuff overperform and seem to be the fotm

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Without providing details and making a giant wall of text: Short answer yes. Long answer, oh their balance has been absolutely hilarious at the launch of ARR and the expansions. And it's been worse than it is now on class balance. What we have now is tame compared to HW and SB.

SB did not undergo revamps and skill pruning to anywhere near the level of ShB, which I think is probably the main culprit for the current class imbalances.

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Originally Posted by Drayos

I have to admit, during SB launch was the balance this whack? I didn’t join this game til the very end of SB.

But when I looked at logs and more numbers were closer together, RDM was 1100 dps apart and now 2700 apart from BLM.

Is it normal for balance to start this whacky? RDM and ninjas are basically benched by the community but these are the two who seem so far helped the least?

While monks and stuff overperform and seem to be the fotm

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alot of stuff was just in a bad spot
SCH,MCH,DRG,MNK,BLM,WHM,DRK,SMN and WAR

ShB launch was alot better balance wise than SB