So, Interject...mostly useless?

I admit, I thought interject was going to have more play than what i'm currently finding.

I feel its mostly useless at this stage in the game (though future raids pending of course) for these three reasons:

1. I'm struggling to think of a boss that has a move that can be interjected
2. Most mobs that have a move that can be interjected can also be stunned to the same effect of canceling the move.
3. A good amount of trash mobs that have a move that can be interjected have such a fast cast time that it's almost impossible to catch the spell to interject it (example, the fire doom walls in the Hell's Lid).

What do you all think?

One thing to take into consideration, stuns have diminishing returns, Interject, afaik, does not. While it's true that enemies that have interruptable abilities are often prone to being stunned, and in the cases where an interrupt is very important you should be holding back on the stun for that moment, it's still something to be considered, as if the mob becomes stun immune, because, say, the WHM is going all trigger happy with Holy or something, Interject will let you interrupt an ability you'd rather they didn't get off.

Personally, I'm having trouble finding any meaningful use of Arm's Length. There just doesn't seem to be any knockbacks that are affected by Arm's Length, at least none that are worth the effort of tracking. Should be noted I play ranged phys, and am only just getting into tanking, so I've not got any experience with any knockbacks that tanks alone have to deal with, if there are any.

EDIT: Oh, and while the situation has never come up afaik, it's quite possible that Interject will be useful for if you ever want to move a spellcaster mob. Stunning them holds them in place, accomplishing nothing, while interrupting them will usually get them to chase you for a very short while.

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Originally Posted by Hezzlocks

Personally, I'm having trouble finding any meaningful use of Arm's Length. There just doesn't seem to be any knockbacks that are affected by Arm's Length, at least none that are worth the effort of tracking. Should be noted I play ranged phys, and am only just getting into tanking, so I've not got any experience with any knockbacks that tanks alone have to deal with, if there are any.

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Tanks lost convalescence, anticipation, and awareness going into 5.0 Those cd's were helpful when rampart and your main ones were still on cd, and conval was fantastic if your healing was having trouble or was potentially undergeared.

Arm's Length is an absolute godsend for big pulls as it applies Slow to any mob that physically hits you. This causes their autos to move slower(as well as casts) so it will give your healers wiggle room. Arm's Length alone I would say makes up for con/anticipation both despite it only lasting 6 seconds because the slow effect lasts for 15 seconds. That is absolutely HUGE.

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Originally Posted by Noitems

Arm's Length is an absolute godsend for big pulls as it applies Slow to any mob that physically hits you. This causes their autos to move slower(as well as casts) so it will give your healers wiggle room. Arm's Length alone I would say makes up for con/anticipation both despite it only lasting 6 seconds because the slow effect lasts for 15 seconds. That is absolutely HUGE.

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You know, I honestly glossed over that part. As a ranged phys main, I rarely have things hitting me, so long as the tank is decent anyway, and even when I do, I just park it next to the tank, and I rarely have need of kiting in world content. But now that you've pointed that out to me, yeah I can see how useful that is. Weird that they attached that to a skill that's primarily for knockback resist, or at least the way they worded the tooltip suggests it's intended for knockback resist.

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Originally Posted by Hezzlocks

Weird that they attached that to a skill that's primarily for knockback resist, or at least the way they worded the tooltip suggests it's intended for knockback resist.

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It's because they took away Tempered Will for PLD and made Holmgang simply bind a target now. Both skills used to keep you grounded so most knockback wouldn't happen but to make it fair to all four tanks they decided to remove TW, adjust Holm, and give all tanks Arm's Length so they all can do it the same way.

MOSTLY useless? Yes.

Here's the list of things I've used Interject on (or rather, "Head Graze", the BRD/MCH/DNC equivalent).
1) Those frog dudes in the lv73 dungeon. Right when you aggro them, they will begin to cast a buff on one of their friends. This can be interjected, and they only ever try to use it right at the beginning.
2) One type of monster (I think the big chimera looking things?) in the lv79 dungeon. These cast... something, I forget what, that can be interjected. The effect looks like a big holy, it hurts everyone real bad, and if two of them do it at once, it'll nearly wipe the group.
3) Old stuff. I haven't done much old content since ShB hit, but I found interject mildly useful for Void Thunder 3 (last boss of Haukke Manor), and for Ram's Voice / Dragon's Voice when you're up against Chimera mobs (Rabanastre + World of Darkness ally raids), but that's nothing new.


And since the conversation moved to Arm's Length...
1) As Noitems mentioned, it's great for applying Slow to mobs during a trash pull.
2) In boss 3 of the lv75 dungeon, and boss 2 of the 77 dungeon, it's good for ignoring the knockback (though its recast isn't fast enough to spend it on every knockback).

I'm not a fan of the limited uses of Interject, especially after they seemed to make a big deal out of it. I hate to make a second comparison today but I guess I have to. In SWTOR, pretty much all the jobs had an interrupt ability with no diminishing returns and unless the enemy was specifically immune to being interrupted, you could interrupt EVERY ability that had a cast bar, didn't matter what it was.

If an enemy used a lot of cast bars, with the right combo of abilities you could completely lock them down and make them unable to do anything. It felt great coordinating that with your party and completely shutting down a dangerous enemy so it couldn't do anything. While I doubt the devs of this game would ever go that far, I'd love more spells to interrupt and have them made more dangerous if they aren't interrupted.

Those abilities you can use Interject on ALSO stop the enemy completely like a Stun would, and never depreciates either so if it gets a second chance to use said skill Interject will still work the same while Stun might still be in a depreciated, or even immune, state.

For the most part it hasn't been used for bosses, but there are certain trash mobs with big AoE hits that you will want to use it on, more so if you have two of the same mob. Those things will HURT if allowed to cast them together.

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Originally Posted by Hezzlocks

Personally, I'm having trouble finding any meaningful use of Arm's Length. There just doesn't seem to be any knockbacks that are affected by Arm's Length, at least none that are worth the effort of tracking. Should be noted I play ranged phys, and am only just getting into tanking, so I've not got any experience with any knockbacks that tanks alone have to deal with, if there are any.

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Arm's Length is good when the Boss is using a knockback that will hurt your uptime or you are worried might kill you. Honestly don't see a reason not to use it on every knockback. If it doesn't work? Doesn't matter. Pull-ins are less important, to be honest. I mained SAM throughout SB but didn't play for over a year before ShB tbh so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Also its pretty amazing on Tank and should basically be used on CD in pulls because of the Slow.

Mostly useless but very useful when it is actually useful. There was some big attack from the trash at the end of Mt Gulg I was able to interrupt. It's as useful as the devs choose to make it by way of their content design.