AST: Card rework alternative

Goal: Cards will apply to a role, allowing everyone to benefit in a way
relevant to their role. Or, cards can be played to increase dps
but you wont progress seals.

Solar Seal
Spear Melee DPS 6% increase
Arrow Ranged DPS 6% increase

Celestial Seal
Bole Tank %damage taken reduced
Spire Tank Shield effect

Lunar Seal
Ewer Healer Mana 10% or refresh
Balance Healer %healing increase

OR 3%dmg to other classes and Seal Gained


Incorrect match allows seal progression but it would have given a
better damage output if used in the minor arcana

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Reduce cooldown of Divination will push more role based card play
(120s Cd)
4 Draws,4 Redraw gained, 0-1 Sleeve(1 Draw, 2 3s CD Draws)

The only problem with 'any' card system that has 1 or 2 cards that give a direct damage increase, is that those are the 'only' cards any of the 'meta players' will want. They will just go back to 'fishing for balance' again.

Your Bole, Spire, Ewer and Balance cards are good alternatives, but Anything resembeling 'balance' (such as your Spear/Arrow) will just bring us full circle to the 'fishing for balance' that's caused them to gut our card system in the first place :(

Solar
Balance +10% Proc Chance on relevant abilities
Bole Reduce Damage Taken by 10%

Celestial
Arrow +10% Speed
Spear +10% Healing Potency on Target

Lunar
Ewer MP Refresh
Spire Increase Buffs on Target by 10% of their base power

OP...no please, no.

We don't need more inconsistency on AST. New AST cards design is way better than HW/SB design, so please, don't break it.

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Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

OP...no please, no.

We don't need more inconsistency on AST. New AST cards design is way better than HW/SB design, so please, don't break it.

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New card design is no 'design'

You can literally accomplish the exact same thing by simply giving us 2 skills and removing the entire flashy ui that is in place to make it 'seem' like the cards are still relevant.

1 for the +3% buff you can give anyone, and the +6% AOE buff you give everyone once every 3 minutes.

boom.. New astro. 2 whole skills to do decides healing.

or.. you could just replace the Astro with another WHM or a Scholar. And just make sure everyone in your group has a 99 stack of Braised Pipira's. Which is a food item that gives you essentially the same 1 single buff Astro's in 5.0 have.

That 'inconsistency' that you hate, is what alot of Astro players Liked. If you didnt want to play with 'fate', then play a WHM or a Scholar, dont force us to lose the 1 thing that set Astro apart from WHM just so your happy with a weaker WHM with a single buff they can hand out :(

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Originally Posted by Rahspdoy

New card design is no 'design'

You can literally accomplish the exact same thing by simply giving us 2 skills and removing the entire flashy ui that is in place to make it 'seem' like the cards are still relevant.

1 for the +3% buff you can give anyone, and the +6% AOE buff you give everyone once every 3 minutes.

boom.. New astro. 2 whole skills to do decides healing.

or.. you could just replace the Astro with another WHM or a Scholar. And just make sure everyone in your group has a 99 stack of Braised Pipira's. Which is a food item that gives you essentially the same 1 single buff Astro's in 5.0 have.

That 'inconsistency' that you hate, is what alot of Astro players Liked. If you didnt want to play with 'fate', then play a WHM or a Scholar, dont force us to lose the 1 thing that set Astro apart from WHM just so your happy with a weaker WHM with a single buff they can hand out :(

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Cards aren't the only thing setting them apart from WHM, and to think so is foolish.

What sets it apart right now is the incredible off global toolkit combined with the 1.5s Malefic cast time, allowing it to heal and DPS within the same GCD with little to no drawbacks. The cards are just the icing on the cake at that point. If cards didn't exist AST would still outperform WHM thanks to the sheer versatility provided by their kit.

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Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

OP...no please, no.

We don't need more inconsistency on AST. New AST cards design is way better than HW/SB design, so please, don't break it.

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Well now I'm interested, if you prefer the new kit, what made you pick up AST in the first place?

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Cards aren't the only thing setting them apart from WHM, and to think so is foolish.

What sets it apart right now is the incredible off global toolkit combined with the 1.5s Malefic cast time, allowing it to heal and DPS within the same GCD with little to no drawbacks. The cards are just the icing on the cake at that point. If cards didn't exist AST would still outperform WHM thanks to the sheer versatility provided by their kit.

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Without the cards, they are WHM's with just slightly different DPS skills. Which is essentially what they are in 5.0. A WHM with a food item they get to pass around every so many seconds depending on which face of the coin they now flip tells them to give it to.

The Card system is what set them apart from being just another WHM. Just as the Farie sets Scholars apart from the same.

The ability to increase the DPS of others needs to go away completely. For everyone. I will continue to shun any and all suggestions otherwise. I was taken a back when I learned how many ASTs were upset by the changes, and honestly was unaware that they enjoyed going through the multiple layers of RNG and the different effects of the cards. I thought y'all were just about the balance. It is ironic that damn card is what 'evolved' the card system to what it will be in 5.0.

In terms of AST cards, I feel that all six should continue to have different effects, but none of those effects are a DPS increase. Cards can be all kinds of different beneficial effects, but need to be useful in just about any given situation. They still grant seals, and Divination is a high potency AoE offensive skill, and the damage is based off of those. The highest damage coming from having 3 of one type, or 3 different seals. Royal Road and Spread are still around. Seals are granted by RR or Play, and Spread takes that card out of the deck so you cannot get it again until you use it or put it back in the deck.

Some possible card effects I thought of are (all are ogcd):
Def^
MDef^
Damage reduction^
Increase MP regen
MP restore
ST heal
Haste (for AST only even with RR AoE buff)
ST damage
ST damage+blind (lower potency)
ST damage+stun (lower potency)

My personal idea on new card effects were:

Bole: Current Convalescence buff
Balance: current Awareness buff.
Spire: A buff to target that causes them to be healed with attacks a % of the damage taken.
Arrow: Still a haste (as the GCD keeps it from being too powerfull)
Ewer: Still a MP regen. With capped 10k MP across the board, mana may be in short supply.
Spear: Still a crit-chance buff.

I dont mind the 3 seals mini-game. I dont mind the 3-minut cooldown buff being an AOE Direct Damage buff. But the 6 cards NEED to be something different. Or we may as well all roll WHM/Scholar and just take a 99 stack of food with us for a 60m long +8% damage buff.