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1.0 was on the first shard this whole time and all the legacy players were teleported to the source by Louisoix!!!!!!1!1!

Wait...that's totally wrong...

I'll admit he looks similar, but since he doesn't have that strap from the right shoulder to the waist, it is obviously a different person :p

The entire 1.0 trailer can be determined to be in the First Shard at this point.

the Midlander and the other characters we see are Arbert and his friends.

Guess the entire time it was just Arbert seeing a vision about what was happening in our world while he was going through his own issues in his world being the First.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

The entire 1.0 trailer can be determined to be in the First Shard at this point.

the Midlander and the other characters we see are Arbert and his friends.

Guess the entire time it was just Arbert seeing a vision about what was happening in our world while he was going through his own issues in his world being the First.

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It can't be the First, because there are too many dwarves without helmets and beards in that cutscene :P

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

The entire 1.0 trailer can be determined to be in the First Shard at this point.

the Midlander and the other characters we see are Arbert and his friends.

Guess the entire time it was just Arbert seeing a vision about what was happening in our world while he was going through his own issues in his world being the First.

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Wrong, wrong and wrong again, because in the 1.0 opening Derplander goes off on an Echo trip to Mor Dhona and sees the Battle of Silvertear Skies (including the destruction of the Agrius and Midgardsormr's death), and... well.. the Garlean Empire (and Middy) does not exist in the First. So the battle never happened there.

And another nail in the coffin of that arguement? The 'Resolve' leveplate that Derplander picked up off that counter... has Limsa Lominsa stenciled on it. And Limsa does not exist in the First (it's called Eulmore instead.). Yes you could say that's a retcon but the fact remains: 1.0's opening movie is the Source. The adventurer's guild shown in the 1.0 opening movie Square Enix Visual Works used a very early design for the Drowning Wench to design, only for Tanaka to change plans at the eleventh hour, thus making the opening movie not match up with how things actually ended up in game (like how the Heavensward opening movie had Hraesvelgar leading the Horde attacking Ishgard instead of Nidhogg who it should have been). But it's still on the Source either way.

The First having these throwbacks is simply for fanservice reasons and doesn't necessarily mean anything deeper (like MrThinker I agree that roe isn't the same person but just looks like him - he's not even manning a leve counter for Azeyma's sake!). ;)

A lot can happen in 5 years, maybe he needed a higher paying job?

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

The First having these throwbacks is simply for fanservice reasons and doesn't necessarily mean anything deeper

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I started reading the thread ready to lean into "don't think too hard about it" but then you came out swinging; thank you, lol.

Even from what little we've already seen of 5.0, there appear to be a lot of homages and previously lost opportunities recovered from the cutting room floor and molded into something that can be used on the First. That doesn't mean they retain any connection to their original destintion. The Crystarium is based on the Rapture-era designs that later became Limsa Lominsa. Then the guild in the trailer, also Limsa Lominsa, had to be radically altered for server stability because putting the aetheryte in the guild would have caused catastrophic congestion 2010. This left a lot of motifs free for recycling. They're good motifs, Brent.

Though the final nail in the coffin, imho, is that The First was redesigned multiple times before Oda/Yoshida realized it was Rapture they wanted to re-capture. Obviously that wouldn't have happened if it was intended all along that 1.0 too place on First ... never mind the overwhelming implausibility vis a vis the Echo of Silvertear Lake.

I'm ready for this to be a prolonged "See? The Warriors of Darkness were the CGI trailer party all along!" Part II.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I started reading the thread ready to lean into "don't think too hard about it" but then you came out swinging; thank you, lol.

Even from what little we've already seen of 5.0, there appear to be a lot of homages and previously lost opportunities recovered from the cutting room floor and molded into something that can be used on the First. That doesn't mean they retain any connection to their original destintion. The Crystarium is based on the Rapture-era designs that later became Limsa Lominsa. Then the guild in the trailer, also Limsa Lominsa, had to be radically altered for server stability because putting the aetheryte in the guild would have caused catastrophic congestion 2010. This left a lot of motifs free for recycling. They're good motifs, Brent.

Though the final nail in the coffin, imho, is that The First was redesigned multiple times before Oda/Yoshida realized it was Rapture they wanted to re-capture. Obviously that wouldn't have happened if it was intended all along that 1.0 too place on First ... never mind the overwhelming implausibility vis a vis the Echo of Silvertear Lake.

I'm ready for this to be a prolonged "See? The Warriors of Darkness were the CGI trailer party all along!" Part II.

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Also whether the Shards were ever part of the plan in 1.0. Yeah things could get retcon'd in (and certain things have had to been to make the plot work so far in general.) but it wouldn't surprise me if the Shards came into being with Yoshida's team.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I'm ready for this to be a prolonged "See? The Warriors of Darkness were the CGI trailer party all along!" Part II.

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Basically what I am saying.

The First maybe part 2 of what was left following the 1.0 trailer.

We know the flood of light happened sometime after 1.0 due to what Arbert and his friends did but the trailer takes place pre-1.0.

Then we have to consider they went through their own version of 2.0 to 4.0 Main Storyline with their version of events slightly different due to the different names and alternate appearance of areas in the First but still mostly the same with their ending being their journey by defeating the final Ascian in the First Shard as shown in the vision we saw but that backfired and released the Flood of Light.

This may also go back to why we also have to go to the First because there Arbert and his friend went through their version of 1.0 to 5.0 already and since we are about to repeat their events of 5.0, with slight alterations due to different names and appearances of places, we are stopped here to alter our path into the First thus finding the alternate solution so we don't end up with the same ending Arbert got when he defeated the First version of the Garlean Empire and the Ascian that controlled it.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

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the thing about alternate/parallel worlds is that most things can remain the same despite their names being different such as the Limsa Lominsa stenciled can still be the symbol used by Eulmore.

We also know that the Flood of Light happened sometime after 1.0 when Arbert and his friends defeated their world's Last Boss in their version of 5.0 which we were about to start but got interrupted to go to the First so we don't repeat what Arbert did when he and his friend defeated their version of the Garlean Empire and the last Ascian controlling it.