5.0 RDM AOE ROTATION...NOT A FAN OF THE IMPACT CAST TIME, WOULD'VE DONE DIFFERENTLY

I main RDM on 3 different DCs. I'm excited about the few changes there were giving to RDM but 1 change doesnt really sit well with me & if I had the power to change it, I would.

Right now, Jolt & Impact have a 1.96s cast time & verThunder/Aero have a 4.91s cast. So when hit Jolt/Impact you get the duel cast proc & then you hit ver/Thunder/Aero & verFire/Stone respectfully.

In 5.0, Scatter (aoe skill) will become Impact (aoe) with a 4.89s cast time & the aoe verThunder/Aero have a 1.95s cast time. So in your aoe rotation you would hit (aoe) verThunder, get the dual cast proc & then hit Impact, then hit (aoe) verAero, get the dual cast proc & then hit Impact. Personally I dont care for it but I love RDM so just have to deal with it.

What I would have done was kept the (aoe) Impact at 1.95s cast time & (aoe) verThunder/Aero at 4.89s cast time. So the aoe rotation would have been IMPACT->DUAL CAST->VERTHUNDER->IMPACT->DUAL CAST->VERAERO.

This is just my opinion but would like to hear what you think.

I imagine it is this way, in part, for visual clarity. Big flower looking better blooming out from your destructive thunder and wind, vs it blooming and being visually clogged with an element instantly afterwards.

Aside from that it also allows them to give the larger mana gain (7) in the first step, which could lead to some changes in how things fold out.

Is the main reason on why you want to change it so it has that parallel feeling to the rest of the kit? (Jolt -> Elements, Impact -> Elements, rather than what it is now which is a bit flipped compared to single target).

Agreed here. It feels very off and not intuitive to have always been (and still is for single target) the non-elemental cast to dual-cast an elemental spell and now we're going to flip that around but only for AoEs.

I'll have to actually play it to be sure of how it feels, my main issue right now is in the spells themselves:
Right now we have Verfire and Verstone for our short-cast elemental spells and Verthunder and Veraero for long-cast single target. Now Verthunder (II) and Veraero (II, I guess) are our short-cast AoEs...so where the heck and Verblizzard and Verwater?? RDM still has a large hole where those elements are concerned.

As an aside, I wanted RDM AoE to be more interesting than Scatter spam, specifically using a similar Scatter -> VerAoE mechanic... shows the devs DO listen lol

I can't get it. The new AoE rotation does not make sense to be chosen Element > Impact > Element > Impact. I don't like the reverse aspect of the rotation, it should be the same feeling as the rotation for single target.
I can't understand why they thought it would be a better choice. It's easy to see: Would for single target rotation be better using Elemental > Jolt instead of now using Jolt > Elemental? Obviously no. So why change it for AoE?

They should have done:

Verblizzard: 5s cast AoE, 220 pot, 7 Black Mana.
Verwater: 5s cast AoE, 220 pot, 7 White Mana.

Scatter: 2s cast AoE, 120 pot, 3/3 mana. Upgrades to Impact during Impactful.
Moulinet: Grants Impactful, can stack 5 times, 30 seconds duration.
Impact: Instant cast AoE, 220 pot, 4/4 mana. Can only be used during Impactful. Consumes one Impactful stack.

AoE: Scatter > Verblizzard > Scatter > Verwater > Moulinet > Impact.

It's ok to keep Verthunder and Veraero as AoE for now. But make this come true, it would be so fun. The actions are already there, just tie them with this cool mechanic.

It is going to be very strange at first for me but only because I have spent the last two years casting impact as part of a single target rotation before an elemental spell. After some time adjusting it will probably work out fine.

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

I can't get it. The new AoE rotation does not make sense to be chosen Element > Impact > Element > Impact. I don't like the reverse aspect of the rotation, it should be the same as the rotation for single target.
I can't understand why they thought it would be a better choice. It's easy to see: Would for single target rotation be better using Elemental > Jolt instead of now using Jolt > Elemental? Obviously no. So why change it for AoE?

They should have done:

Verblizzard: 5s cast AoE, 220 pot, 7 Black Mana.
Verwater: 5s cast AoE, 220 pot, 7 White Mana.

Scatter: 2s cast AoE, 120 pot, 3/3 mana. Upgrades to Impact during Impactful.
Moulinet: Grants Impactful, can stack 5 times, 30 seconds duration.
Impact: Instant cast AoE, 220 pot. Can only be used during Impactful. Consumes one Impactful stack.

AoE: Scatter > Verblizzard > Scatter > Verwater > Moulinet > Impact.

It's ok to keep Verthunder and Veraero as AoE for now. But make this come true, it would be so fun. The actions are aready there, just tie them with this cool mechanic.

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I really like this suggestion.

It's strange that they chose to do it this way. I think Scatter > AoE Veraero/Verthunder makes more sense, but I can see why they went the other way from an aesthetic point of view, as someone else mentioned.

I guess the idea was to have the aoe rotation be slightly different then the single target rotation.

Either way the aoe rotation will be more interesting than scatter, scatter, scatter, scatter, etc.. :)

As a red mage main, I actually prefer it this way.

If the AoE rotation was literally the exact same as the single target but with AoE versions of the single target buttons, that'd be just as bad as having only a single button. It'd be too same-y. Especially after doing the same single-target rotation for two years.

At least this is a little bit different.