The 1st race

Anything in the lore books or in game that said which of races came first.

Not that I've seen. Going by the game's pre-existing themes and Varis's assumptions about how to best usurp the Ascians, it seems like a safe bet that we're supposed to assume the five six eight(?) races came into being around the same time, all Hydaelyn's children.

Not sure. I tend to assume elezen but that's really only because they're the elf analog and I have absolutely nothing to back that up. It may have been around the same time but we don't know.

The only races that I know of that seem to have a they've been around for a long time are the moogle and the Anata. The Anata were made during a time of chaos and lot of people were just struggling to survive and since they're as old if not maybe a lil bit older than the Allagans that puts them at having been around for at least 5,000 years. The moogles have their story about their King making a very long rope that ended up costing his life for the rest of them to climb down on to escape the fighting of the gods that at least for moogles got super scary. This sadly is just another topic we have very little info on.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

The only races that I know of that seem to have a they've been around for a long time are the moogle and the Anata. The Anata were made during a time of chaos and lot of people were just struggling to survive and since they're as old if not maybe a lil bit older than the Allagans that puts them at having been around for at least 5,000 years. The moogles have their story about their King making a very long rope that ended up costing his life for the rest of them to climb down on to escape the fighting of the gods that at least for moogles got super scary. This sadly is just another topic we have very little info on.

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Keep in mind the allagans themselves to the best of my knowledge also weren't a 'race' but just a nation, I'm pretty sure they at least had hyur given the clone characters in the crystal tower storyline. And there were Miqo'te I think that far back too when you look at the mortals that were held in stasis that served Sophia.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

The moogles have their story about their King making a very long rope that ended up costing his life for the rest of them to climb down on to escape the fighting of the gods that at least for moogles got super scary. This sadly is just another topic we have very little info on.

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I'm still a firm believer that the Moogle creation/King myth is nothing more than their recounting of the start of the Dragonsong War. So many points just add up...

Worth noting, however, that the First seems to have Moogles if the trailer is anything to go off, which is an indication that Moogles (or a common ancestor) have been kicking around since the start, pre-Sundering and Astral/Umbral Eras. Shame they're just copies with blue poms, instead of going for a variation on design (similar to Lalafell/Dwarves).

Now that I think about it though... I wonder what it was like living through the Sundering? Did each Shard simply get a copy of what was on the Source at the time? Or was it perhaps more like the recent data center split? Groups being split across the Source and Shards? Their creation myth could certainly be in reference to the Sundering if it's the later...

As for the topic... Well, we have essentially zero knowledge on a pre-Sundered reality, and the majority of races seem to have existed prior to that in order for their "copies" to exist on the First. Impossible to really tell what race came first under those circumstances, only what races came later, Ixali for example.

There is plenty in the lore book about when the different races migrated to Eorzea. But there is nothing about which race is the race the rest of the races are variations of.

What did get revealed at the Tokyo Fan-Fest was that the 1st Shard has all the same player races Hydaelyn does, just under different names. So I'd say that's very indicative of all the races being distinct races at the time of the Shard Split.

From the looks of things, it seems Norvrant has the same geography that Hydaelyn does, just with 12,000 years of timeline difference, which is almost nothing on a geological time-scale. On a cultural time scale, that is huge though. So having all the same races have very different cultures compared to the Source races makes a lot of sense.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Keep in mind the allagans themselves to the best of my knowledge also weren't a 'race' but just a nation, I'm pretty sure they at least had hyur given the clone characters in the crystal tower storyline. And there were Miqo'te I think that far back too when you look at the mortals that were held in stasis that served Sophia.

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True I had posted before coffee. I want to say there's also maybe Roes as when we deal with Sophia some of her followers pop out.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Not sure. I tend to assume elezen but that's really only because they're the elf analog and I have absolutely nothing to back that up. It may have been around the same time but we don't know.

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The closest we have is a claim by the Elezen themselves that they were the original inhabitants of Eorzea, but that is only for one region in particular, and we don't have any evidence of that either other than apparently racial pride.

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Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

What did get revealed at the Tokyo Fan-Fest was that the 1st Shard has all the same player races Hydaelyn does, just under different names. So I'd say that's very indicative of all the races being distinct races at the time of the Shard Split.

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One interesting thing worth noting, though, is Varis's claim that, before the split, there was only ONE unified race (the very race he hopes to merge everyone back into once the Rejoining occurs, so they can provide a unified front against the Ascians). If this is true, then not only did the Sundering split one race into eight (or more), it did it the same way on the Source and all the Shards.

The indication is that before the Sundering, there were no Lalafell, or Hyur, or Hrothgar, or whatever - just one race. After the Sundering, all these races exist, and exist the same way on all Shards.