Summoners: Please give us actual summons to make us feel like a Summoner please.

I'm so disappointed with what they have done to summoners in FFXIV, Giving us a watered down poor excuse for a summoner. I once read it was because they didn't want 100 people on screen with an Ifrit summon out so instead we have 100 people with a red blob out which looks ugly. Below is a video of FF11 and as you can see, the summons look amazing, cool as hell and made summoners feel like they were a summoner int he FF universe. Other asian mmo's have summoners that feel more FF than this game. Make Summoners Great Again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMX33Su7PXo

As long as they give us the option to resize the summons just like we can for bahamut, I don't see why not.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

As long as they give us the option to resize the summons just like we can for bahamut, I don't see why not.

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How did I miss this! /googles

Agreed!

From developing side I can understand why they did what we have now, but I am agree that having 3 blobs and one more or less good looking Summon but for limited time is a big meh. I mean, there were so much Primals, but we still Summon only three of them on a permanent basis and can summon fourth once per few minutes, seriously? If we can't have new primals because of balance issues, maybe it's possible at least to give us option to glamour them to what we want, not just carbuncles? ;_;

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Originally Posted by Halivel

From developing side I can understand why they did what we have now, but I am agree that having 3 blobs and one more or less good looking Summon but for limited time is a big meh. I mean, there were so much Primals, but we still Summon only three of them on a permanent basis and can summon fourth once per few minutes, seriously? If we can't have new primals because of balance issues, maybe it's possible at least to give us option to glamour them to what we want, not just carbuncles? ;_;

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This is wher ei think their main argument breaks down. They didn't want us to all be running around with a Ifrit or Shiva minion but everyone using a carbuncle is ok? Makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by AdamChattaway

This is wher ei think their main argument breaks down. They didn't want us to all be running around with a Ifrit or Shiva minion but everyone using a carbuncle is ok? Makes no sense.

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Carby is small. He's asking for huge summons which is what SE doesn't want. With the code the way it is having actual summons WILL break this game.

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Originally Posted by AdamChattaway

crappy looking red blob

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Jalapeño pepper, chicken nugget and a chicken :D

Oh, we were going to get more according to Yoshi-P

"--I enjoy playing summoner as my main job, but when it comes to end game content, it's all Garuda-Egi with no opportunity to use Ifrit or Titan. That's pretty disappointing, and I'd like for Ifrit and Titan avatars to also play active roles in party content.
Y: Earlier I talked about Black Mage from my own point of view, but I've also seen that Garuda was always used on summoner. Originally we intended for each avatar to play a different role depending on the content and party setup. Since Garuda has the highest DPS, Garuda is used in the most content, so I think that's the main issue. If we made the other avatars stronger, then Summoner would be stronger overall, and if we made Garuda weaker to compensate for powering up the others, then the reverse could be true, so we are carefully considering what to do. It's a cute summon, but in the future you'll be able to summon a certain old man and a sister clothed in ice who's also quite cute. Although actually I wish I could copy the Mammet with the Mirage Prism.
--Are those summons coming next, or will Leviathan?
Y: Leviathan, hmm... I'm not sure whether Ramuh or Leviathan will come first (laughs). I think it'll happen when the level cap is raised, so I really can't say yet."

This is from 2014 before heavensward was released.

Long after that we got a glamour system for Egi, alongside promises like being able to use Sefirot-Egi and the like in the future. This next question/answer was from January this year:

"Q: When will we see an update to egi glamour.

Yoshida: We are working on it so please wait a little bit longer."

I do not know what are we going to get as SMN on the 5.0, but at this point i am a bit tired of empty words about the class myself due to the frustration.

I kind of like the concept of how they handled summoner, but the egis themselves look attrocious. If they want to give summoner a small persistent pet that's fine but make them look good. Ever since they added egi glamour I've just been using carbuncles because cute > ugly blob.

Another thing they might be able to do is to let demi bahamut be glamoured. Say, demi bahamut, demi shinryu, demi alexander, giga carbuncle as options, all sized according to the setting you chose. Giving you a small persistent pet and a larger temporary pet summon.

While I hold the unpopular opinion that the Egis look cool (seriously - I think they look exactly like a summon would look if summoned using a geometry textbook XD), I agree that the SMN job wasn't well put-together from the get-go. This seems to me in part because they seem like the devs wanted to build a damage-over-time DPS, realized they didn't have a Summoner job in the game yet, and decided to tack on a pet.

I think I would have preferred it if Summoner was more old-school about summoning - big, flashy spells that summon a primal, have them do their thing, and then vanish. There'd be no need to worry about the world becoming cluttered with too many huge pets, all or most summons would actually be useful, and we could have as many summons as we wanted, at one spell per summon.

FFXI is the only other Final Fantasy with summons as pets, and Summoner wasn't well put-together in that game either (it spent most of its tenure as a glorified healer). X and XIII had PERSISTENT summons, but in those cases the rest of the party went away and it was pretty much a solo show with the summon vs whatever you were fighting - obviously not workable in a MMO. All the rest of the FFs had summons that appeared, did their thing (that thing could be an attack, or a buff, or a heal, or whatever), and then left, and I think that model could work in a MMO, as well. Heck, they could even keep the whole DoTs/Ruin thing going, and have the summons be on oGCD cooldowns!