Question regarding the other side of the pond

Hi Mates,

Well I don't speak japanese. But does anyone know how japanese community reaction to the Gender locking drama? Something tells me that they are not marching to the SE HQ with pitchforks and goblin bombs demanding stuff from YP

It was mentioned in some of threads and reddit : There is some reaction to it that they are not okay with us, but it's far more civilized discussion then our forums.

From what I hear, there's complaints about the genderlock but they're more concerned about a lack of a healer than anything.

They have thread on their forum. Only one active, there is more than 10 pages for now, but since they are not very active on forum overall (especially compare to EN) - this a quite big thread, not small at all. Most people who commented there are not against of implementing missing genders or up for it, but they are very polite in their request and do not fight with each other for the sake of fights (as it is here right now).

Actually, if we will throw away all who insult each other (from both teams "I'm against" and from "I'm for") the thread on EN forum will still be very big (which is understandable. there is 140.000+ threads with more than 2 million comments here in English part, compare to 30.000+ threads and 400 thousand comments in JP. DE and FR are almost dead compare to these two) but could be much more constructive and calm. So it's not even about drama, it's about EN community behavior in general. As example, some people keep to scream "wah sjw again!" while in big group of people there are maybe 10 or 20 people who brings up "irl policies" in their arguments. But yeah, of course, let's judge whole group on few people and start the holy crusade. And that's how we ended up with what we have now.

Japanese forum posts pretty much unanimously say they're dissapointed and would like to see both male viera and female hrothgar added in 6.0
2chan are complaining about the noisy foreigners and people using identity politics to get what they want.

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Originally Posted by username1234

Japanese forum posts pretty much unanimously say they're dissapointed and would like to see both male viera and female hrothgar added in 6.0
2chan are complaining about the noisy foreigners and people using identity politics to get what they want.

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Western culture has a habit of resisting bad ideas. We tend to act in fight or flight to things, because of our history. Regardless of how people feel about it, it does get things done around here.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Western culture has a habit of resisting bad ideas. We tend to act in fight or flight to things, because of our history. Regardless of how people feel about it, it does get things done around here.

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no, western culture has a habit of throwing children's tantrums that only make it look ridiculous. The comment on noisy foreigners using cheap politics tactic is absolutely spot on

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Originally Posted by SoleilAlphi

no, western culture has a habit of throwing children's tantrums that only make it look ridiculous. The comment on noisy foreigners using cheap politics tactic is absolutely spot on

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a specific part of western culture....

For me, all this situation just shows the differences between Western and Eastern culture - unfortunately, in a quite negative way for us. I am against the gender-lock (not because I want a 'bunny boi', but because I don't accept this solution in any MMO game) and I really do hope that we will get a male Viera and female Hrothgar in the future, but after reading some threads and posts I started to feel sorry for the devs. I understand these ones who treat it as a big step back, but I still think that many of them overreacted. The dev team gave us their reasons and I believe that it wasn't an easy decision for them - I'm sure they really wanted to create a compromise that makes the most of their players happy. We don't know what actually happened in the process, so it would be nice if we don't judge them so easily. We have the right to show our disappointment, but there are many more polite ways to do that than threating and blackmailing the creators, even if they made a few mistakes.

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Originally Posted by SoleilAlphi

no, western culture has a habit of throwing children's tantrums that only make it look ridiculous. The comment on noisy foreigners using cheap politics tactic is absolutely spot on

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What exactly are you suggesting is a 'tantrum'? So far I've seen quite a lot of good discussion on real issues that human beings need to tackle. There's a handful resorting to calling names like SJW or mental gymnasts, but overall there's been pretty good discussion both for and against the decision.

I think it's really disingenuous to suggest that people wanting representation beyond tired tropes is 'cheap politics'. I'm a real person. I'm not a politician. I'm a real person playing the game, same as you are, and enjoying what I can of it. I think it was a mistake to put together the races in the way that they did, and folks shouldn't try to invalidate my opinion by suggesting it's just 'cheap politics'.