4.4 DRG BiS List.

Hello Dragoons!

I made a quick speculation regarding our BiS items regarding this patch.

Any ideas/ improvements? I'm not sure about the SS- due to the fact that since the last patch, we had like 4 sets of varying SS.

I prefer the low SS myself but ended up having a SS of over 1k...

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17B0Q

Tentative DRG BiS is currently one of the following two builds:

Floor tank at mach speed!
Crit Machine!

In the latter case, you will meet thresholds with those pentamelded accessories which makes up the loss in STR. That being said, the difference isn't too substantial if you want to aim for full i370. Of course, this is all based on early theorycrafting, so it may change. If you opt to try the Skill Speed build, I highly recommend testing it out on a dummy first. You will not be able to double weave whatsoever at that level, so there will be an adjustment period. I put together a relatively easy hodgepodge of gear just to hit 2,400 and see how it felt.

Dear lord, what is this SS?? How much time is the GCD on that case?

With that many ogcd I'm surprised SS can even be a thing on the DRG. I thought it was with bard the worst job to put ss on

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Originally Posted by Rockavlon

Dear lord, what is this SS?? How much time is the GCD on that case?

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2.19. Basically, you will blitz through your rotation. The Balance discord ran sims and the SkS build very narrowly comes out ahead in raw DPS throughput. That being said, the difference is slight, so do what you find more comfortable.

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

With that many ogcd I'm surprised SS can even be a thing on the DRG. I thought it was with bard the worst job to put ss on

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It depends. Skill Speed interacts strangely with Dragoon. You usually want to keep it relatively low unless you can break into an extremely high threshold. At 2,405, you move through your GCD so quickly, it negates any loss you'd have at say 1,700.

From my understanding, the top tier DRG builds that I've been following for Neo Exdeath and God Kefka have been of the CRIT > DH > DET > SSa. I was talking with another dps over how in some cases SS builds are viable, and in some cases stronger, following the SS > DH > DET > CRIT priority.

At the moment, I'm lining to do the traditional CRT > DH > DET > SS build that seems to be common with DRG, and to my understanding, the most optimal for DRG. Has something shifted to where SS may be a more optimal stat for DRG? I know they've made changes to SS during SB but I saw if it warranted a new build.

Just want to clarify for all Dragoons.

There has been no change; the optimal stat priority is Crit > Direct Hit > Det > Ss.

Don't let other people tell you otherwise, the only reason people have so much ss these days is due to the structure of the pieces of gear themselves.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Tentative DRG BiS is currently one of the following two builds:

Floor tank at mach speed!
Crit Machine!

In the latter case, you will meet thresholds with those pentamelded accessories which makes up the loss in STR. That being said, the difference isn't too substantial if you want to aim for full i370. Of course, this is all based on early theorycrafting, so it may change. If you opt to try the Skill Speed build, I highly recommend testing it out on a dummy first. You will not be able to double weave whatsoever at that level, so there will be an adjustment period. I put together a relatively easy hodgepodge of gear just to hit 2,400 and see how it felt.

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Are the crafted 380 pieces really better than i400 pieces? I know you have more materia melding control but you lose alot of our primary stat, right?

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Originally Posted by Ralos

Are the crafted 380 pieces really better than i400 pieces? I know you have more materia melding control but you lose alot of our primary stat, right?

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I doubt it. Only proc centric jobs like Bard would benefit from Crit that much to sacrifice main stat.

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Originally Posted by Ralos

Are the crafted 380 pieces really better than i400 pieces? I know you have more materia melding control but you lose alot of our primary stat, right?

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They are. While main stat is typically better, secondaries can pull ahead if you meet certain thresholds. Since 655 is the ideal Skill Speed, anything above that is essentially wasted stats. That 264 extra Skill Speed is completely worthless. Additionally, you're losing 237 Crit and 128 Direct Hit. Because we can break into another threshold, Crit scales high enough it beats out the 30 Strength. At least according to simulations done by The Balance discord. It's mainly how useless Skill Speed is unless you go for the monster tier that lets the crafted pieces pull ahead.

With all that said, this extremely fine tuned min/maxing. You aren't going to suffer much loss if you opt for i400 pieces. It's entirely up to you if you want to squeeze out every bit of DPS or lose a little and save the gil.

I added a link to Balance's discord. You can ask the theorycrafters directly if you want more details. :)

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Originally Posted by lulunami

I doubt it. Only proc centric jobs like Bard would benefit from Crit that much to sacrifice main stat.

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This isn't necessarily true. Machinist has a BiS using the Tome Weapon because the Omega Gun is awful. Ninja and Monk also run a pentamelded ring this tier. And we all know tanks have been using crafted accessories pretty much the entire expansion. Three are still BiS despite the added Strength. Bard may value Crit far higher, but there hasn't been a single tier when at least some jobs aren't running pentamelded crafting accessories if they opt to hyper min/max.