To everyone who says tanks shouldn't be able to meld Direct Hit

Would they end up making Direct Hit have no effect for tank stats, like how only healers can increase Piety. If so, wouldn't that make Bard less useful because of their direct hit bonus for the whole raid.


Q: For tank accessories, it seems much more useful to meld Direct Hit onto the new crafted accessories than using accessories obtained from the new tokens and Savage raid. Are there any plans to adjust the stats on the accessories in the future?
A: We believe the issue here is that the first groups of players trying to complete the raids quickly are in favor of pushing their DPS. Also, by the time players are able to obtain Savage accessories, their item level would probably have increased, so at that point, it’s up to the individual to consider to continue using DPS-focused gear.

We have received some suggestions that tanks should not receive any effects from Direct Hit. We understand the sentiment on this will be split, so we are carefully discussing this at the moment.

I wouldnt worry about bards usefulness to the raid here...

First off: Wether or not they'll lock DH from tanks, it would still benefit the DPS. You know, those classes that should be the main-contributor to the overall raid-dps (dont get me wrong - I welcome a good tank- and healer-dps, but at the end of the day, killing stuff is mainly the dps job). So even if 2/8 people wont benefit from Battle Voice anymore, thats probably to neglect.
Furthermore: Battle Voice has a 3 minute CD. Two people not getting that bonus shouldnt make or break things.
The critical hit bonus that should always be up, dear bards, would also be totally unaffected by this.

Even with the tanks not profiting from one bard-buff, their utility is still pretty amazing - Crit for everyone, MP&TP, Healing increased, Troubador... this change would affect tanks a lot more than bards. Doubt we'd see any raidgroup not take a bard on the grounds of "Your 3 minute CD does nothing for our warrior!"
If they're really worried about that, they could always buff Battle Voice to account for the loss of buffed tank-DPS.

I wouldnt be surprised to see this turned into a DPS-only stat though - after all we have tank-only (tenacity exists, even if we dont want it) and healer-only already. Both are supposed to help their respective roles to achieve their goals (survive and heal), so why not have one for dps thats fitting for them?
(And yes, I know - and agree - that everyone has to contribute to killing stuff. Cant deny the fact though that DPS-jobs should always out-dps a tank and/or healer)

Here's my thing about it... The conversation shouldn't be about whether or not we should be able to use/meld DH, but why our actual Class stat (tenacity) isn't the naturally better option. The fix is simple, make the Tank-only stat more beneficial for tanks than DH and more tanks will take it over DH.

Also, BRD brings more utility than just that buff, so I wouldn't worry about their place in raids.

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To everyone who says tanks shouldn't be able to meld Direct Hit why are you more concerned with this than the fact that tanks have to pentameld crafted accessories for bis? (or conversely, get to have bis way before anyone else would for the same reasons)

There are issues with tank stats right now, and their capability to meld direct hit is not one of them.

Bard's useful isn't just limited to Battle Voice. That's not even the reason most groups bring a bard. Most bring them because Refresh/Tactician and other support skills like Nature's Minne (free Convalescence type buff for 15 seconds every 45 seconds; perfect for Deploying Crit-los), Palisade, to a lesser extend role skills like Head Graze (Ultros silence in o7s), Troubadour for party-wide mitigation, etc.. BV tends to be overlooked, in my experience, for other defensive aspects of the job.

I think the issue with tanks is the fact that Tenacity's worth is questionable, leaving very few options other than Direct Hit (or crit) for melding. The same can honestly be said for Piety as well, save for AST since it's MP management was shot in the foot when they removed Luminiferous Aether. It's not terrible, but they may favor Piety for prog if they are doing the majority of the healing. WHM and SCH don't need Piety at all.

the highest stat weight this patch is crit, so all of my friends who tank and raid savage all meld crit then the next stat for high dps, giving them the most dps vs straight dammage. straight dammage melding this time is actully less useful this patch. also the tanks i know play all 3 and thats what they meld plus they're the ones who told me the new stat thats highest this patch ^^

Currently, only Paladins prefer Direct Hit due to Crit thresholds finally overtaking it. Regardless, as people have said, we have a tank only stat that is questionable at best. Taking Direct Hit away from tanks wouldn't accomplish anything since they'll meld Crit and Determination.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

Q: For tank accessories, it seems much more useful to meld Direct Hit onto the new crafted accessories than using accessories obtained from the new tokens and Savage raid. Are there any plans to adjust the stats on the accessories in the future?
A: We believe the issue here is that the first groups of players trying to complete the raids quickly are in favor of pushing their DPS. Also, by the time players are able to obtain Savage accessories, their item level would probably have increased, so at that point, it’s up to the individual to consider to continue using DPS-focused gear..

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Found this funny when I first read it. In my opinion shows just how disconnected they really are from the game. The playerbase is focussed entirely on dps. So at no point are they ever going to opt to do less dps using worse gear..

Virtually every job problem has been because of dps. Look at the history of paladin started off as the defensive fortress but soon got shafted because it's dps was rubbish hence it receiving so many offensive buffs over the years.

Ahh was the same when ast got buffed whm was tossed to the trash because it did rubbish dps....

DPS is literally the only thing that ever matters so players will never opt to take less of it...

One of the reasons I got bored of tanking. Because it's not about surviving anymore. That's easy to do. It's just another dps job

Personally I would prefer direct hit as a dps role stat only, however I would also buff tenacity a bit to be better than determination on the overall


(and between you and me, while IR makes me smile I find it a bit too much)

Direct Hit was indeed intended to be granted naturally to DPS, but isn't entirely limited to only DPS. Healers can use it too, in addition to Tanks.

The thing about Tanks not supposed to use DH though, well let's just say SE doesn't support that notion. Proof: Warrior's recent changes.

DPS may not get Direct Hit as exclusively as Healers get Piety and Tanks get Tenacity, but it's still meant to be their thing mainly and will remain so until they get a stat truly theirs. However, no law says DPS can't share this stat with other roles capable of putting it to use. After all, games revolve around dealing damage right? I mean it's not like they're gonna remove Healer's ability to deal damage in dungeons by making their attacks all do 0 damage or anything... And Tanks need to deal damage to maintain aggro so both will still be able to put DH to use, whereas DPS doesn't need Piety or Tenacity at all since they just deal damage, and Healers and Tanks don't need each other's exclusive stats either.


So in short, don't worry about Tanks losing Direct Hit compatibility, because they won't.