It's about time the GMs or devs respond to the RMT going on in the PF

https://imgur.com/a/aDYrT

Are there any plans to add a blacklist feature that works, or are there any plans to prohibit such listings?

Yes thos RMT alright since they asking for actual money no Gil.....
I'm pretty sure they probably no plan lol

While that might be rather blatant of them, nothing in game mentions rmt and selling runs for gil is not against the ToS. Short of going undercover and busting the advertising account if it pans out to rmt, there's not much they can do.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

While that might be rather blatant of them, nothing in game mentions rmt and selling runs for gil is not against the ToS. Short of going undercover and busting the advertising account if it pans out to rmt, there's not much they can do.

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So the average gil sellers can also post listings as long as they don't say 'buy gil'? What if someone posts a site to buy gil from, but it's the official forums or the Lodestone?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't anything that is not bought directly from SE/SE merchandise concerning the game considered RMT? Pretty sure SE isn't happy about any of it, no matter what the perceived goal in-game is. Buying and selling services with gil is kosher, but it starts to go against the ToS when real world money comes into play.

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

So the average gil sellers can also post listings as long as they don't say 'buy gil'? What if someone posts a site to buy gil from, but it's the official forums or the Lodestone?

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It would depend on the site it leads to:

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2.2 Real Money Trading, Farming and Power-Leveling. You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any in-game currency, accounts, characters, in-game services, or in-game virtual items. You may not play the Game for the purpose of acquiring virtual items or advancement in game play on behalf of a third-party or for the purpose of selling any virtual assets to a third party for real-world money, specifically including "gold-farming" and power-leveling services.

2.3 Commercial Use. You may not exploit the Game for any commercial purpose (for example, advertising any product or service in-game, or use by the operator of a cyber café) without Square Enix's prior written consent.

2.8 Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to distribute advertisements.

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A GM would have to sign in to a discord server and they're not likely to do that. If the person above linked directly to that first picture in their PF advert, you can bet a gm would take issue with it.

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Originally Posted by Sekkei

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't anything that is not bought directly from SE/SE merchandise concerning the game considered RMT? Pretty sure SE isn't happy about any of it, no matter what the perceived goal in-game is. Buying and selling services with gil is kosher, but it starts to go against the ToS when real world money comes into play.

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It is, but the GMs work within a ruleset that you or I don't. For the most part unless it's directly advertised (link goes directly to rmt advertisment or they just outright make a blatant "this is rmt" pf) then the gms don't have proof they can link to the account in question and take action. Maybe the Special Task Force isn't so tied down, but good luck waving them down.

Did you get the USD advert from the PF in the second link? If so, as someone who sold a huge amount of stuff throughout ARR and HW, it's rather depressing that it's come to this.

Obligatory devil's advocate though, if the two links are not related, then it's not really fair to cry RMT at that PF group or indeed others. I'd like to think that the majority of sales groups aren't comfortable taking real monies for clears just yet. I certainly wasn't and most certainly wouldn't be now either.

My Lala is worth more to me than some PayPal pennies <3

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Originally Posted by Sekkei

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't anything that is not bought directly from SE/SE merchandise concerning the game considered RMT? Pretty sure SE isn't happy about any of it, no matter what the perceived goal in-game is. Buying and selling services with gil is kosher, but it starts to go against the ToS when real world money comes into play.

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It's not just services. The same groups also sell gil.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

A GM would have to sign in to a discord server and they're not likely to do that.

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No. They would only have to do that if they wanted absolute proof of RMT in order to issue bans to specific parties. They don't need to do that to prohibit the listings from being made.

I noticed the paypal thing in the first link.


Let the banhammers fly.

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

No. They would only have to do that if they wanted absolute proof of RMT in order to issue bans to specific parties. They don't need to do that to prohibit the listings from being made.

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Per SE's own policies, yes, they do. This is why they won't accept youtube or twitch clips as evidence for speed hacking. Unless that first advert was linked in-game, the GMs won't do anything.