4.18 update discussion

Additions/changes:

The number of ceruleum tanks that appear has been increased.
Mammet movement speed has been increased.

Changes have been made to the steam cannon action "Cannonfire."

--potency has been reduced to 4000 from 6000 against players and mechs
--potency against mammets is reduced to 400 from 600.
--range has been reduced to 60 yalms from 75.

The following issues have been addressed.

An issue wherein the machinist PvP action Flamethrower ignored elevation.
An issue wherein using Cover on a target afflicted with a damage over time effect would prevent summoners from gaining aetherial attunement with the PvP action Fester.
An issue wherein the clock face of the fat chocobo table chronometer was displayed incorrectly.
An issue in Rival Wings wherein ceruleum tanks appeared in locations where they could not be collected.
An issue wherein the combo potency given in the description for the ninja PvP action Shadow Fang was incorrect.

some other misc issues addressed.

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Hmmm. Well, apparently they want mammet pushes to be more viable, and they want the core to die quicker. Maybe we get more balanced cereleum outside of mid. Pretty big nerf to core defense though, and not really affecting how strong healers are except in that holding mid may be less viable.

the flamethrower change is funny. a few times i remember collecting CE below the middle and getting hit by flames from up top.

I think the cannons were fine as they were and I dont know of anyone crying for them to be nerfed. I guess it might make for more safe spots for ops like the little hill part near ravens base might be out of range of cannons now if so that would be a nice boon for blue-team. (You could actually shoot from there but its tricky and it was slightly in cannon range)

Also im glad they fixed the fat chocobo table chronometer I was worried for a second there, or maybe 4 seconds I dont know my clock was broke.

This Cannon nerf is unnecessary, especially 20% max range decrease.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

Maybe we get more balanced cereleum outside of mid. Pretty big nerf to core defense though, and not really affecting how strong healers are except in that holding mid may be less viable.

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Healers now even stronger with Cannons nerf. Killing, like, 17 of them with single Cannon will be a problem now. (most of the time there's someone incompetent in 2nd Cannon)
Especially when one or two rushing to a Cannon and start attacking from a blind spot, it will be pretty much impossible to kill them now(before they reach you).

p.s. Never saw anyone whining about Cannons. My guess that this comes from JP-side(or just random fluke from SE).

They could of introduced an overheat mechanic with the cannons, where if you fire them in succession to much you can't use them for an X amount of time. That would of been better then nerfing their dmg potency since as mentioned healers will just have an easier time messing around with the core now.

LMAO. /10char

I always felt the cannons were fine, because they were a last defense and crushed that one random person (or Chaser) trying to rush your base - that was what the cannons were good at - aiming at a few targets. The current cannons were already not very effective at dealing with more than 3 people running into the base at once, and had key blind spots.

With the nerfs:
- Oppressors/Brutes would just sit outside the north entrance and destroy the core without getting hit
- Brutes can MegaBeam both cannons down together and take minimal damage because only one cannon will barely reach it
- Healers would just out-heal the cannon damage; one can attack a cannon outside the base and the gunner will be stuck with two choices:
1) Focus the healer and stalemate due to healspam while other players file into base.
2) Attack the players rushing the core while getting killed by the healer.

Imo, the cannon nerfs pretty much defeat the point of them. They were already ineffective in a large push.

Doing enough games to get my mount not a single one had a person crying about cannons being too op and yet they still manage to make me angry about these rival wings changes. Took 3 months of suggestions and literally proof of the classes being not worth the effort of taking to progresssion and now they are top of the charts balance is a real issue with this company.

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Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

This Cannon nerf is unnecessary, especially 20% max range decrease.

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Yeah. This makes it harder to defend the core, which makes it worse in terms of snowballing. Not just healers, but CCs can rush the core easier too now. Have to see how the matches play out, but I'd really wish they'd explain why on earth they felt this would help.

I suspect the cannon nerf has more to do with the mammet changes. Most of the modifications seem to be focused on making mammet pushes more viable and the generator/oppressors less must have.

Faster mammets likely means bigger mammet stacks getting to towers/cores together even if the spawn rate stays the same. The cannon nerf is likely their so that a cannon can't single-handedly stop mammet pushes on the core.