NIN Advice

Hello guys,

I was just hoping that maybe some of you could give me some advice on NIN.. I played the class for the whole of 3.0 but now unfortunately with all the changes in 4.0 I cant seem to identify where i am going wrong.

For starters I cant seem to kill the 04S dummy as a 335 Ninja.. i have read resources and alot say its due to opener or rotations.. my second issue is whether we still use the Doton opener like it was before due to Dripping Blades II but im not sure if thats changed now since 4.1.


If anyone has any resources for rotation advice etc please comment!

Thanks

So, the o4s dummy for ninja, at least from my experience seems a bit harder than it should be to break. i consider myself an ok ninja and i had sort of a hard time to kill it consistently w/o pot(i only broke it after having cleared the o4s itself a few times). also breaking a dummy is basically working your cds into the 3min fight that is, so the opener might not be the same as the one you would use in an actual fight.
As for the opener, in most cases you want to use the bhava opener since it lines up better in the long run, unless it means your missing a TCJ on the fight(in that case you probably should try the tcj doton opener)

Because the striking dummy doesn't move into your doton, you probably won't be using that opener when practicing. For the dummy, I still use a variant of the Heavensward opener. Start with Suiton, do a shadowfang combo, then trick attack right before your first aeolian edge, which should make it align so that bhavacakra comes available right before trick attack wears off, and you'll get two aeolian edge combos under trick attack.

Throughout the rest of the encounter, bhavakara should line up with trick attack, so you can always use that. Also your Ten-Chi-Jin should have highest potency if its used as Jin > Ten > Chi (or Fuma, Kataon, Doton) even on single targets.

Also as stated above, all the dummies seem to have higher life totals than are realistic for the actual encounter. Even when I was top DPS in my raid group, and we were clearing encounters, I still was having trouble beating the dummies.

Dummies are a bit more difficult, however with fast enough skills and critical hits they are pretty easy. I'm surprise most people struggle with it. If your using Doton you will also see your skills regenerate faster as well. I use Bhavacakra on single targets more than Hellfrog Medium. Not sure why Nin's keep using Medium on single targets >.>

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Dummies are a bit more difficult, however with fast enough skills and critical hits they are pretty easy. I'm surprise most people struggle with it. If your using Doton you will also see your skills regenerate faster as well. I use Bhavacakra on single targets more than Hellfrog Medium. Not sure why Nin's keep using Medium on single targets >.>

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Because when Bhavacakra and TCJ are both on CD, you either use Hellfrog or overflow in Ninki. Holding on Ninki is a big loss.

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Originally Posted by Alexalibur

Because when Bhavacakra and TCJ are both on CD, you either use Hellfrog or overflow in Ninki. Holding on Ninki is a big loss.

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Depends on fight. I use Bhava opener on Twin and Neo and save TCJ for 2nd trick cause there's too much movement for TCJ opener and if I use it prior to my trick it'll either clip gcds heavily or result in some messiness with mudra timing. Using TCJ basically costs you an entire combo and combined with pretty much losing a ninjutsu or delaying trick by a large amount holding ninki is sometimes the best choice. TCJ opener also sometimes leads to TCJ, Ninjutsu, and Kassatsu all lining up which is a nightmare to try to deal with since it's also on a trick window.

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Originally Posted by RyanValentine

For starters I cant seem to kill the 04S dummy as a 335 Ninja.. i have read resources and alot say its due to opener or rotations.. my second issue is whether we still use the Doton opener like it was before due to Dripping Blades II but im not sure if thats changed now since 4.1.

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You've got 2 opener options depending on how you spend your ninki. I typically prefer bhava opener myself. The potency difference between it and tcj opener is not that large, especially for fights that have any sort of movement. Momo Sama has a visual reference for openers so you'll want to look him up and work on learning those. There's also a fairly good guide on mooglemedia for nin as well.

For rotation it's just a priority system. SF combo if it's <6 seconds. AC combo if huton is <25-30 sec, AE combo otherwise. Use duality on CD as you'll line every other one up with trick, save dream for trick. Ninki spend order is generally TCJ>Bhava>Hellfrog with Fuma>Katon>Doton being the highest potency. If your trick timer is <10 seconds though you'll want to do Fuma>Raiton>Suiton. Suiton path also beats doton path in potency if you're doing TCJ under trick attack.

Thanks for the advice guys. I appreciate it