AST Sects: Should it go both ways?

I mean really, is there any really good reason for Diurnal to be 10% and Nocturnal 15%? Why not both 15% or both 10%? Feel free to discuss how AST would be if both Sects were identical in healing potency increase.

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Originally Posted by Joe777

I mean really, is there any really good reason for Diurnal to be 10% and Nocturnal 15%? Why not both 15% or both 10%? Feel free to discuss how AST would be if both Sects were identical in healing potency increase.

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The sects are there to act like one of the other healers. The extra 5% is to simulate the extra healing the fairy provides a scholar.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

The sects are there to act like one of the other healers. The extra 5% is to simulate the extra healing the fairy provides a scholar.

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The fairy is more than 5%

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Originally Posted by Jukebox12

The fairy is more than 5%

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Actually just counting embrace she is actually roughly 5-6% of our healing.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

Actually just counting embrace she is actually roughly 5-6% of our healing.

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Not true. Assuming you're not a Physick Mage, and your cohealer is healing alongside you, Embrace usually covers around 15 - 20% of our healing based on the fight. (These are values I took from my own "data" of o1-4 savage.)

So yes, the Faerie is more than 5% of our healing, however the overall healing kit of AST is also stronger than ours, so that needs to be taken into consideration. I can only assume they came up with 10% and 15% to keep the sects competitive with their counterparts, taking the entire kits of each job into account.

It was 15% for both on the preview. But a lot of people felt AST already had enough of an edge over WHM that 15% was excessive.

this is exactly why i gave up ast for this expansion....the sects were perfect before they changed it. now there's no real reason to use diurnal unless you just feel like it.

Noct is trash in comparison to Diurnal in terms of throughput. HoTs overall are stronger than shielding and can be manipulated by dilation/CO. N.Ast also falls short of sch in every way possible when they're competing for the same raid spot.

Noct was always the black sheep of the two sects throughout HW, it's still comparatively weaker now even after all the little buffs and tweaks it's received. I think it was pretty competitive for 4.0 as WHM/AST was a very safe pair of hands to be in for progression, but 4.1's SCH changes have tipped the scales back away from Noct again IMHO.

The difference in my throughput when I'm switching between Noct AST or WHM for various Ult Coil pugs is night and day though =/

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Originally Posted by bugmancer

this is exactly why i gave up ast for this expansion....the sects were perfect before they changed it. now there's no real reason to use diurnal unless you just feel like it.

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When you're the only healer then I agree, I much prefer Nocturnal. But if there is 2 AST in the party or a SCH and an AST then Diurnal should be used.