I've blown off FSH at 60 some time ago prior to Stormblood, shortly after catching a fair number of big fish, getting the Dragon's Deep title, etc. I'm hesitant to resume this job, due to a number of terrible, anti-fun elements of the system.
Do the new higher level actions help make the job tolerable, or is it just more of the same crap?
How is FSH from 61-70?
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10-29-2017, 02:10 PMJas710How is FSH from 61-70?
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10-29-2017, 02:32 PMmagnanimousCynic
nearly all new actions are for Spearfishing, which is like MIN/BTN gathering for Fishers.
The two actions that are for normal fishing are Mooch II, a 3-minute recast for 100 GP that lets you mooch off of a NQ fish, and Double Hook, which increases yield of the next cast based on the type of fish and your gathering rating. -
11-02-2017, 01:27 PMZierk
I'm the exact opposite, I enjoyed 1-60 Fishing because I could sit in one spot and just relax. Had a macro that would /hook,. /wait, /mooch, /cast essentially making fishing a low attention activity for me while I did other things on a different monitor. At 63 you unlock spear fishing which makes fishing like mining/botany(node chasing) except you have to wait before you strike the node for a bubble burst indication on the node, otherwise you immediately miss/fish got away and waste durability on the node. For this reason I find that spear fishing requires the most amount of attention/brain power out of all the gathering jobs and it has slowed me down leveling. On the flip side, spear fishing yields fish that are required for some higher level recipes and on my server are still in demand so you can make a decent amount of gil just leveling.
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11-04-2017, 06:30 AMShadygrove
If you didn't like fishing why persue it again?
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11-04-2017, 12:46 PMBorisDaBladeI fully agree with this. Nothing has changed from the core mechanic other than spear fishing, which I personally don’t like, since the reason I leveled fish in the first place was the fact I didn’t HAVE to run between nodes every 30 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadygrove
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11-04-2017, 10:41 PMAlisiQuote:
Originally Posted by Shadygrove
Uh huh. Because there's absolutely nothing in the game that requires things you can only get through FSH, amirite?Quote:
Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade
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11-04-2017, 11:15 PMBorisDaBladeThat’s what the MB is for, amirite?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisi
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11-05-2017, 09:47 PMAlisiLOL. Well, I can tell you're not an endgame crafter. No offense but you're wrong in this. If you don't do a whole ton of crafting, then MB is a viable option. Otherwise, you simply need too many things from FSH to make buying them off from the MB viable without taking a huge lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade
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11-09-2017, 11:40 PMNiravesAt 13k a piece for Swordtip on my realm, you can bet that I am forcing myself to go through the process of catching them myself. Alisi is right. The MB is fine for some things, but if you intend to actually make a decent profit, you can't use the MB for everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisi
I hate Fisher. Hate it with a fiery passion. Hate it to the point I would cherrfully kick the dev that designed it. I hate fishing for three hours to get two stacks of literal garbage fish that aren't used for anything except desynth, so I can get 30 of the fish I actually wanted. Fishing can go die, slowly, painfully, and I want to watch. -
11-12-2017, 09:38 AMZfz
Spearfishing is just BTN/MIN with timed whacks, otherwise it's mostly more of the same thing. What's worse, because fishing success rate for big fish is hard-capped regardless of your level and gear, you won't have the luxury of going back and finishing off the other big fishes easily. They're still going to waste your time by running away easily. (Although if you enjoy fishing, it's like going back to old raids syncced and enjoying the fight.)
I can't decide yet whether I like spear fishing. But imagine when you go on your BTN/MIN and open a node, the node will flash every 3-5 seconds and you have a short time after the start of the flash to whack the node. You can't decide what item from the node you want, they come randomly. You only have a choice of three spearheads that can sometimes narrow down what fish you get. Each flash takes off one try from the node. Then there's a type of shadow node that can only be spawned after catching X of a specific fish nearby.
Is it fun? Personally I hate the RNG aspect of fishing, but that's fishing, fishing is just RNG, like getting a crit or a proc on some weapon skill. The whole idea of bait for specific fishes is destroyed by the fact that many types of bait actually attract several fish with similar rate. Time and weather feels more like a waste of time than fun factors, but that's just me. I know people who absolutely love these elements about fishing.
IMO if you don't like fishing, it's probably better to treat it as a cost of business and just buy fish off the market board. If this makes your product unprofitable, then I guess it being fun or not is no longer relevant, seeing how you simply have to go cath those fish yourself.
Making a profit in this game requires time investment, and that's one of the core design goals of the economy every since 2.0. I don't like it since I invest enough time in the real world earning money, I'm not going to invest hours and hours each week just to make virtual money. To that end, the game now provides a non-crafter/gatherer with enough sources of income to sustain combat activities, so it's quite balanced in a way.