SE, why don't you just remove Dark Passenger?

Because your changes to the skill have already done that, but we can still see it here haunting us.

This was what I felt one of the most signature Dark Knight moves we had, and now it is useless all because you wanted it removed from our ST rotation as an oGCD because someone for some reason thought that was hard to keep track of.

Like many I was really looking forward to these patch notes as I have held a very negative opinion of the 4.xx Dark Knight since pre-access and now it is starting to become clear that I don't think this class will ever be as fun or as good as it was in 3.xx.

It is like we are the "bastard" tank SE does not care about. PLD and WAR always seem to get all of the attention. With my favorite class in this state I really am as burned out on FFXIV as I was in the month before SB launch and it has only been one month.

Only used maybe once in endgame dungeon pulls now. Oh boy oh joy. And Quietus change basically renders it's purpose borderline useless. Since you get MP anyway now. I used to go DADP, drop grit, pop BW and then throw out Quietus for more MP.

If we keep it it either needs to cost less or just be a free OGCD.

OR

Make it cost or generate blood.

We dont need a patch to remove it, we can simply right click, remove from hotbar.
Thats what I did.

Each tank needs a skill that is so situational that when an opportunity to use it appears, you won't even remember about it

PLD has Tempered Will, WAR has Shake It Off and now DRK has Dark Passenger

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Originally Posted by HELLruler

Each tank needs a skill that is so situational that when an opportunity to use it appears, you won't even remember about it

PLD has Tempered Will, WAR has Shake It Off and now DRK has Dark Passenger

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It's not situational. its mana cost is too high to be useful. You're going to get a better return on Abyssal Drain, aside from damage, the hp drain makes it better to just toss out like 3-4 of them instead.

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Originally Posted by Kalocin

It's not situational. its mana cost is too high to be useful.

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That's only true in situations where MP is not essentially infinite, where your generation is so high you need to burn MP in excess to not cap out.
The change to Quietus provides that situation. Every hit is worth 5% MP, the same as Blood Weapon. Pair the two and you need to start doing everything you can to keep your MP in check, Dark Arts Dark Passenger helps with that while also providing some mitigation. Then once it's on cooldown you start alternating between Quietus and DA Abyssal Drains.

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Originally Posted by HELLruler

Each tank needs a skill that is so situational that when an opportunity to use it appears, you won't even remember about it

PLD has Tempered Will, WAR has Shake It Off and now DRK has Dark Passenger

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If by situational you mean the only use is if your healer sucks you can blind the enemies in dungeon pulls than yeah, it's situational.

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Originally Posted by EusisLandale

That's only true in situations where MP is not essentially infinite, where your generation is so high you need to burn MP in excess to not cap out.

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If you capped on mana you are fuckin up and have bigger issues to worry about.
Oh and if you did do the stupid and get yourself in that spot abyssal is still the better choice.

DADP + ss combo deals slightly more damage than 2x AD in the same time for slightly more mana cost. It also blinds. If you are using DA AD then you should be using DP as it will cost less mana and prevent a similar amount of damage.

The problem with DP is that it is useless without DA. That is hortible gameplay to have a skill that always requires 2 button presses.

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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp

If you capped on mana you are fuckin up and have bigger issues to worry about.
Oh and if you did do the stupid and get yourself in that spot abyssal is still the better choice.

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Most trash pulls are, what 3-4 things? And generally the game lets you get two pulls in at once? So we're looking at 6-8 targets. That's 30-40% MP every Quietus.
Blood Price on all of that? That's going to be another 7.2-9.6% MP and 30-40 Blood every 2-3 seconds.
Blood Weapon instead? That's another 5% MP and 3 Blood every 3 seconds, on top of an additional 30-40% MP and 18-24 Blood every Quietus.
Salted Earth? That's another 6-8 Blood every 3 seconds.
In either situation you're only ever going to be able to fit one Abyssal Drain between each Quietus.
BP: 44.4-59.2% MP a cycle. Dark Arts/The Blackest Night Abyssal Drain will deplete 39.2% MP every cycle. Use of TBN will also necessitate using a Quietus again sooner, sacrificing an Abyssal Drain, to avoid capping on Blood.
BW: 70-90% MP a cycle. DA/TBN AD will deplete 39.2% MP every cycle. Use of TBN will necessitate using a Quietus sooner, sacrificing an Abyssal Drain, to avoid capping on Blood.
During your BW/BP period, you can not deplete your MP faster than Quietus can provide it with DA/TBN ADs alone. If you consider using Dark Arts on Quietus, that is only a 50 potency boost where as DP Quietus is 100. If you would need two DA Quietus to keep your MP in check, then for the same MP DA DP nets you 240 Potency over the 100 of two DA Qs