Feedback: Please do not lower Paladin damage.

Currently in the game Paladin does a similar amount of dps when compared to war and dark knight with a slight edge going to war and dark over pld. If I had to rank how much dps the current tanks do it would be 1. War 2. Drk 3. Pld.

The quality of life changes like not having gauges halved on stance swap is good.
Putting str on tank accessories seems like a good change.

But lowering paladins damage while at the same time increasing the damage of the other 2 tanks doesn't seem like it will go too well because people will only want to take war and drk to raids again like in HW because those 2 tanks will have higher damage output then Paladin. That higher damage lets people clear content earlier on in the patch cycle.

As the game is right now the tanks damage is really close to each other while still having war and drk having a edge on paladin but its not so huge to prevent people from wanting a paladin in raid. The amount of damage Paladin does now seems fine. Having more mitigation or defensive utility doesn't help Pld get a raid spot because most high end raiders value damage output over mitigation to kill the bosses faster.

I don't want to see Paladins being left out of raiding again because of significantly lower damage compared to the other 2 tanks.

You need to cross check your reality and fflogs. DRK is at the moment the least DPS while PLD is highest.

Before you comment, I am obviously referencing speedrun attempts and NOT padded runs.

I looked at the Paladin in first on that site on Susano had basically full time balance with 2 Ast in the party that were giving it too him so he could do high damage this isn't normal.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I looked at the Paladin in first on that site on Susano had basically full time balance with 2 Ast in the party that were giving it too him so he could do high damage this isn't normal.

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Only speedrun is considered in this case and you were looking at individual PLD parse which was at 3.5k dps. That one is so padded.

https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/15#boss=1036

On top is the real deal so you can check it out. Ranking: PLD>WAR>DRK.

I think they should keep the pld dps as is as the changes to drk and war will certainly put them over the pld. If PLD is still too competitive after those changes, then nerf the damage.

Even if PLD did lower DPS that would be fine, because PLD brings oodles more utility than either WAR or DRK. DRK brings TBN, something unique and nice for what it is, but relative to the rest of the game it's kind of shit. WAR brings, somehow, even less utility, with only a slashing debuff (that is also provided by two very common DPS, NIN and SAM). So if PLD is going to maintain their current level of utility (and they should) then they certainly can't be dealing more damage than WAR or DRK.

Either give WAR or DRK utility, or tone PLD down. They opted to tone PLD down. And given that HS is a 1.5s cast time, I can't imagine they'll make it more than 2 or, at worst, 2.5s per cast. It will probably start at 2.0s, which amounts to what? Two less HS per Requiescat? That sounds like a really mild nerf to me. Way more mild than losing Delirium or Storm's Path debuff were.

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Originally Posted by Sarcatica

Only speedrun is considered in this case and you were looking at individual PLD parse which was at 3.5k dps. That one is so padded.

https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/15#boss=1036

On top is the real deal so you can check it out. Ranking: PLD>WAR>DRK.

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So I looked into your link and from the speed rankings it seems that all tanks are capable of doing around 3100 or so dps, PLD topping in 3300 and WAR topping at around 3200 and DRK at around 3100. All seems fine to me, looks pretty close and balanced, I hope the changes are going to be enough for you.

Can you stop the spread of false information?
Below is the range from the Top 10 Susano EX parse on fflogs without Balance:
PLD: 2,919.3 - 3,161.9
WAR: 2,795.6 - 2,916.3
DRK: 2,753.3 - 2,908.4

The entire PLD top 10 parses are above WAR/DRK and doing ~8% more DPS on the max parses (again, no Balance padding).
Check your facts...

Can you teach how to check? I cannot find those same numbers, only the ones I listed.

You... need to check FFlogs again because this is factually inaccurate. As stated in another thread, 43 Paladins have broke the 3,000 mark without Balance carries. Only five Warriors and Dark Knights have achieved that.

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Originally Posted by Hrista

Can you teach how to check? I cannot find those same numbers, only the ones I listed.

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Change Static Speed to Player Damage -> Change all Classes to PLD/WAR/DRK -> Click on DPS - Balance twice