I was one of the players looking forward to the new Tenacity, and to Piety becoming a healer-specific stat... yet when I look at them in the game now, I'm kinda disappointed. The effects of them are lackluster at best, to the point where you'd be better using literally any other stat.
IMO, that kinda defeats the point of having role-specific stats. You have these things that is exclusive to a role, so special others can't have them... personally I think their exclusivity should make them more potent than the general skills, something a tank or healer would specifically aim for rather than just going with the same stats everyone else does.
What does everyone else think? Should they easily have the highest stat weight? Be more around what the other stats are? Or remain as a "Well, better than nothing I guess..." stat?
How strong should role-specific stats be?
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07-12-2017, 03:09 PMUrthdiggerHow strong should role-specific stats be?
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07-12-2017, 03:15 PMPaladinleeds
I would argue giving each role (physical ranged DPS, caster ranged DPS, melee DPS, tank, healer), their own unique stat to aim for. Make them slightly more potent than the other stats so that they become the primary focus, and once you hit the cap (which shouldn't be difficult btw, with plenty room for overmelding after), you then move to other secondary stats that befit the playstyle. So BLM for example I believe goes for
SkillSpell Speed, who would then chase that after say, Magigage (arbitrary name for a magic-ranged DPS specific stat that increases magic damage potency, or something like that).
I would also argue adding chance things for special effects, say like with the tank one, tenacity, could offer a chance to completely nullify an attack? Piety could offer a chance of a heal not costing mana, etc. There's some other ideas on how it could work. -
07-12-2017, 03:22 PMBranniganWhat you've described here is a stat known as Accuracy. Now, I actually liked accuracy - it's one of the few stats that you have to actually build a gear set around. Det/Crit/Speed for most classes (except those who have procs on crit, etc) all do the same thing, so making a gearset that maximized those while hitting just the right amount of accuracy was actually kind of neat. Now, if you're a class that doesn't have crit procs or some sort of specific speed threshold you can just wear whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladinleeds
Tenacity and Piety are decent stats imo because they do something that isn't just "increases dps." They should be available to everyone to meld (even though there's little reason for a MNK to chase Tenacity or whatever). -
07-12-2017, 10:19 PMKazrahQuestion is how strong should those two stats be, or how much they should be weighed compared to other secondary stats. Right now, Tenacity is weighed rather, which is a shame since that just makes it Det's dopey little brother and nowhere near worth investing. Piety might be slightly better weighed, although I'm not too sure how much it is this time around. Also the nice thing about both stats is that DPS don't benefit from either, so you can just blanket all your DPS sets with Crit/Det.Quote:
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Oh right, and Accuracy was a pointless stat and I'm glad it got replaced by Direct Hit because all Accuracy did was punish healers. -
07-12-2017, 11:01 PMVanilleFangWhat about Direct Hit? We don't know how the stat weights are but Direct Hit seems pretty decent. With 1000~ it seems you can get Direct Hits pretty frequently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
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07-12-2017, 11:18 PMTankHunter678Based on current testing 40 DH = 1% chance to direct hit for +25% damage. So 2000 DH (which dragoons can hit with the right gear and melds) for instance is a 50% chance at +25% damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanilleFang
Which is what I have been told by FC mates looking into it. -
07-12-2017, 11:35 PMKazrahDirect Hit seems to be Crit without the damage bonus attached, so it's not the weight so much as the effect that pulls it down in priority. It's not a bad thing to have, but there seem to be better things to pile on from what I can tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanilleFang
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07-12-2017, 11:36 PMBaci
TEN should be so good that you want it on everything and in everything. TEN should have been THE tank stat, when in reality its just - eh
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07-12-2017, 11:51 PMEusisLandaleDirect Hit is honestly the best stat to have at the moment, unless you're a Bard or Healer. This only changes once people can pass 2838 crit if they've got a Bard or 3012 if they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...o_stat_values/
Also, in regards to tanking, assuming left side gear with no Tenacity, or so little you can fully slot materia into it, the difference between it and Direct Hit are negligible to everyone except those going for absolute optimization.
157 Direct Hit for an average of a 1% DPS increase. 180 Tenacity for the same. Left side materia slots can hold 520 stat points. 3.3% DPS increase from Direct Hit, 2.8% DPS increase from Tenacity.
People are going to notice the 2.8% less damage taken more than they're going to notice the tank doing an extra 10-15 DPS. The gap between Tenacity and Determination is even less, to the point I'd honestly think the former is better overall for the group just to let the healers squeeze in a few extra attacks over a fight.