need a explain

I played PUG today on ifrit for the first time after 1.20 with a pt of : GLA, 2 LNC, 1 MRD, 2 CNJ, 2 PUG

use the combo Howling fist on ifrit and it deal 150 (with blind side) + 50 + 404 dmg on ifrit (total of 604 dmg in 1 combo and my gear dont have any materia and i lack of +8 atk power because of no dye)

but ! the pt keep yell that I should stop do combo (back to side combo) because I can mpk the tank and keep say PUG is suck on ifrit because it cant survive sear and later they say PUG is suck because 13 min left and ifrit isnt down to 1/2 hp because PUG dmg suck (I survive sear, but got lag and got hit by dash and eruption).

So here are my question:

the game add combo so player can deal more dmg, why ppl still use the same method as they did before 1.20 ?

does PUG truely still suck ass on primary fight or because of player name them as suck ?

ps: I do combo w/o get yellow aggro status. And suck def doesnt apply much in ifrit fight because most of ifrit skill are magic and dash is physical magic

Im gonna try and address the concerns and criticism.

Firstly im going to go for damage.
I would say the issue is with your party, Ifrit needs magical damage on him to be the quick kill he used to be, but your PGL damage seems ok.

Next up, positioning.
If you are moving to the side of ifrit and an eruption targets you, there is a good chance that you will MPK the tank.
If Ifrit is glowing and he eruptions you, if you do not trail the next eruptions away PERFECTLY, you will definitely MPK the tank with multiple eruption hits.

Sear Damage. You can survive sear damage? in the final phase that is 300 damage (approx) every 5 seconds. Unless you are running in and out of sear, severely gimping your damage, I do not think this is true.

PGL is good, but it is not good for Ifrit.

Also if you wanna boost ur PUG DMG look into magic stats and materia. With they new skills you should b able to get what im saying.

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Originally Posted by Junpei

Im gonna try and address the concerns and criticism.

Firstly im going to go for damage.
I would say the issue is with your party, Ifrit needs magical damage on him to be the quick kill he used to be, but your PGL damage seems ok.

Next up, positioning.
If you are moving to the side of ifrit and an eruption targets you, there is a good chance that you will MPK the tank.
If Ifrit is glowing and he eruptions you, if you do not trail the next eruptions away PERFECTLY, you will definitely MPK the tank with multiple eruption hits.

Sear Damage. You can survive sear damage? in the final phase that is 300 damage (approx) every 5 seconds. Unless you are running in and out of sear, severely gimping your damage, I do not think this is true.

PGL is good, but it is not good for Ifrit.

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Ifrit does not just Eruption randomly. His abilities are timed, time them and then be sure not to be close to the tank. Only use Howling Fist combo during a Vulcan Burst or Incinerate since it ends on the side, giving you time to move to the back once again. Problem solved

How much HP do your pugilists have? Sear hasn't changed since 1.20 and last I checked people don't suddenly have much less HP. Sear doesn't kill anyone who is capable of healing themselves (Second Wind, Bloodbath, the vastly improved Cure *for melee) with the occasional help from a healer.

Combos arent really viable on ifrit because of the short window you have to pull them off between each weaponskill, especially 3 hit ones. The only truely safe time to use them would be immediately following an eruption, any others if you don't have all 3 combos go off immediately there is a chance you will be hit by eruption, and even then, combos that end in things like simian thrash that take like 5 seconds for the animation to go off can't really be used because there isn't enough time between weaponskills.. Alternatively, if you try to time it across multiple weaponskills you risk losing the combo timer because if it uses either an eruption or a jump there is no way to keep the combo going. Because of this, I don't think many people have found a truely reliable way to kill ifrit. Everyone has to be on the top of their game and pretty much any death will result in a wipe because of the lack of chainspell.

you can mpk the tank cause if your too close hell put cracks under the tank

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Ifrit does not just Eruption randomly. His abilities are timed, time them and then be sure not to be close to the tank. Only use Howling Fist combo during a Vulcan Burst or Incinerate since it ends on the side, giving you time to move to the back once again. Problem solved

How much HP do your pugilists have? Sear hasn't changed since 1.20 and last I checked people don't suddenly have much less HP. Sear doesn't kill anyone who is capable of healing themselves (Second Wind, Bloodbath, the vastly improved Cure *for melee) with the occasional help from a healer.

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with full pt is 3k+ hp, I have cure, second wind, bloodbath equip

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

I played PUG today on ifrit for the first time after 1.20 with a pt of : GLA, 2 LNC, 1 MRD, 2 CNJ, 2 PUG

use the combo Howling fist on ifrit and it deal 150 (with blind side) + 50 + 404 dmg on ifrit (total of 604 dmg in 1 combo and my gear dont have any materia and i lack of +8 atk power because of no dye)

but ! the pt keep yell that I should stop do combo (back to side combo) because I can mpk the tank and keep say PUG is suck on ifrit because it cant survive sear and later they say PUG is suck because 13 min left and ifrit isnt down to 1/2 hp because PUG dmg suck (I survive sear, but got lag and got hit by dash and eruption).

So here are my question:

the game add combo so player can deal more dmg, why ppl still use the same method as they did before 1.20 ?

does PUG truely still suck ass on primary fight or because of player name them as suck ?

ps: I do combo w/o get yellow aggro status. And suck def doesnt apply much in ifrit fight because most of ifrit skill are magic and dash is physical magic

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Seems like your party members were really close minded.
If you can look after yourself and don't actually give more work to the healer, where is the problem?
PUG doesn't, it is just not liked by some persons it seems.

Lol at people that blames lag for getting hit by eruption/dash, that is what the baddies usually does, blames it all on the lag!

The issue isn't with PUG class, the issue is with you playing horribly and another issue is playerbase mentality, when it comes to old content like Ifrit, nobody really wants to wipe anymore, so anybody that might cause a wipe is a liability even if you are new to the fight.