From one tank to other tanks..STR Gear is not a thing anymore..Get used to it now!

I do not understand the hesitation others are having when it comes to tanks not using STR gear. Just this last patch to prove this fact they upped the amount of enmity we get from all of those attacks. Then to truly prove the point....they forbid tanks from using any STR accessories or gear from 61+.

How many more signs do you need to move on? I get it....you hate the changes....but alot of us don't. We are tanks, not dps, not heals, TANKS! Our job is to hold aggro and do a baseline amount of damage and to allow our healers the chance to DPS if they choose to by allowing them to heal us less often so they can DPS!

Why egg the system when you know its going to happen.....get use to it now, since this is how it is and it is going to be until SE changes it again(which I sincerely doubt would happen before 5.0!)

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

I do not understand the hesitation others are having when it comes to tanks not using STR gear. Just this last patch to prove this fact they upped the amount of enmity we get from all of those attacks. Then to truly prove the point....they forbid tanks from using any STR accessories or gear from

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if tanks are skilled enough to do content with lower gear then let them I dont see the issue here

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

Why egg the system when you know its going to happen.....get use to it now, since this is how it is and it is going to be until SE changes it again(which I sincerely doubt would happen before 5.0!)

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Because providing feedback is both therapeutic and necessary for FFXIV's evolution?

Also, the argument that 'tanks should be tanking' is absolutely non-sensical. There is no benefit to nerfing a job's individual damage in the PvE environment, and significant downsides when it comes to solo play. There is, arguably, a benefit to designing content that pushes tanks to stay in defensive stances - but that's an issue of tank HP vs. monster damage, and how much base damage a tank deals is completely irrelevant to this calculation. Seriously, to even throw out the 'tanks should tank' bit is just ridiculous, and shows you're ranting rather than offering a remotely logical argument.

This isn't about emnity.

Vitality is not mitigation, vitality increases the pool of health into which healers can pour their healing, and from which damage is subtracted.

Obviously a tank's HP pool has to be sufficiently large to absorb the damage they're going to encounter in the dungeon, long enough for the healer to replace it. But once you have enough, having more doesn't help in any way - it doesn't even help the healer to do more DPS, because a larger HP pool just means they are postponing their heal spells, they will have to spend the same number of GCD cycles healing them later on as they would if they'd just spaced them out.

Tank heals scale of STR; this is especially true for DRK who's AD+DA combo and Grit+Souleater return HP based on damage dealt. This provides a form of active damage mitigation.. This HP returned, whether by a PLD self heal, or DRK's life steal attacks, is HP that the healer does not need to heal personally, and this means the healer has more time with which to DPS!

The fact that the tank is also doing extra DPS and generating more emnity is just icing on the cake.

It actually is still a thing until 4.05, where they said they'd remove the ability for us to wear STR accessories. Until then, there's no reason to wear vit accessories in certain raids.

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

Our job is to hold aggro and do a baseline amount of damage and to allow our healers the chance to DPS if they choose to by allowing them to heal us less often so they can DPS!

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It is everyone's job to deal damage, healers and tanks included. In reality everyone is racing to deal enough damage to clear the instance. All these vit accessories are garbo, as they give no damage and make everyone else work harder for more DPS. When 4.05 comes out majority tanks will just craft rings and meld STR onto them, that will be the new baseline.

To put it simply, you take the same damage with 10k or 100k HP. If you can survive a hit with 10k HP, why would you need 100k HP for it, especially if it significally lowers your damage? Extra HP in this case is wasted, but extra party damage is always useful.

dang, the STR debate is still a thing?

Everyone want's to be everything man. Tanks want to DPS, Healers want to DPS, DPS want to know what is going on.

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Originally Posted by Annah

dang, the STR debate is still a thing?

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Sadly, Square brought it back with Stormblood by reverting tanks back to the 2.X damage model, instead of the pure-VIT 3.X model :/ - not rightly sure what they were thinking but, here we are again.

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

Everyone want's to be everything man. Tanks want to DPS, Healers want to DPS, DPS want to know what is going on.

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DPS is meant to know their place and get back to shooting stuff like the replaceable drones that they are! ;)

Square revived it because they changed how damage is calculated.