Enthusiastic Tanks

I'm curious how people are dealing with the tanks that want to pull everything before a boss. As a i314 WHM, I still have to burn most or all of my cooldowns and forego all dps to keep the tank alive, even when they're well geared. Frequently I go into the next huge pull with limited options, and sometimes can barely make it through. A bad series of crits or positioning, and the aggressive pull makes the run take significantly longer than it would have otherwise.

I guess this is normal for X.0 content? Asking the tank to slow down gets ignored, yelled at, or the tank just leaves.

How are other healers handling this? Am I just bad?

I understand your arguments and I agree with you in a way. But the question is : do you need those powerful CD skills for the boss coming right after it?

I mean, if someone get absolutely all the monsters, before a boss, you use everything to save your allies. Then for the boss the healer doesn't usually need those CD as it's just a dungeon's boss. While that boss is fought, your CD are coming back, and are ready for the next pig pull.

I understand it's a problem if you need those CD for some bosses.
And I believe it can be tricky if there are 2 big pulls in a row because the dungeon's mechanic doesn't allow you to take all the monsters in one time. So the 2nd pull will be technicaly harder to handle if it is as hard as the 1rst one.

Edit : Tanks are also supposed to use their CD for those big pulls. And they have one making them immune to crits, so this part shouldn't be a problem.

Very often, dungeon's bosses don't really need to have CD for them, especially if they already know the boss mechanic.

Edit 2 : Maybe you were playing with those tanks not using CD or don't know what CD to use or not if they will have to keep some for 2 different pulls in a row, then they are the problem if they don't manage their own CD. It can also be DPS' fault to don't use their own CD to clear quickly those pulls, making the tank's and healer's CD less effective as they will proportionnaly last less time in the fight because the fight will last too long because of lack of dps.

Yep those tanks are everywhere. Using up 60% of my MP on pulls especially on tanks wearing +STR instead of VIT gear. I pretty much just let them do whatever since I can keep up with the heals, just gotta spam the fck out of it lol.

It's a fair question, I don't really need the cooldowns for the bosses. If the DPS is slow, the tank cooldowns don't last long enough to keep them well-supported. Losing my DPS and my cooldowns seems to be a pretty big risk, but I've only had a couple of wipes from it.

This wasn't necessarily a criticism, so much as a question on how the different players handled it. It might be that I need to change my mindset to focusing keeping the party alive until we reach the boss, as opposed to maximizing my options once we reach the boss.

Either way, it makes the dungeons a lot more stressful than they need to be, and at best only saves us a couple minutes.

Yea I agree about the not enough dps part related to the tank's and healer's CD efficiency. I actually edited my first post, as I saw none after mine ^^"

if they aren't using any CDs... I let them die. I don't care which CD it is, if you're not even making an attempt to save your own life, why should I?

Yeah if they don't use any cooldowns at all, it becomes a real struggle. I found that I actually enjoy Dark Knight tanks the most in dungeons. For whatever reason, they're the easiest to keep up even when things go sideways.

If i can keep tank alive so be it, just dont expect me to help dps lol i will be too busy healing tank

WHM is special in that DPSing helps a lot. Your 7 seconds of stun extend the tank's cooldowns quite a bit (since it's not 7 consecutive seconds, more like 10s of mitigation)

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Originally Posted by MercuryAcetylene

if they aren't using any CDs... I let them die. I don't care which CD it is, if you're not even making an attempt to save your own life, why should I?

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Because it's your role to do your best without having to be a pervert with mind process such as --> looking at "did my tank used a CD? Ok so I can use one".
It's like if as a tank, I was supposed to let die all DPS who didn't use their reducing enmity CD. If they didn't, I'll just do my best to get it back.

It's like if when I'm playing Red Mage, according to you, I should not use Mana Shift on my healer because "he should have use Mana potions, and he should have use his Lucid dreaming". But thanks I just do my job as DPS and when I see my healer (or anyone else) is lacking of mana for whatever reason, I'll just give them mana with Mana Shift. I don't care they manage their class well or not. I do my job. And if I am a dps class with no mana problems and a skill like Mana Shift, then my role is also to provide mana to others lacking of it, whatever the reason.