Really afraid SE is going to think things are fine because of the amount of WHM/SCHs

This is something I've been hearing around lately when discussing WHM and SCH with people.

There are, indeed, a lot of SCHs and especially WHMs around in endgame. People are using the amount of these healers they see around as an argument that there must be nothing wrong with them.

Just because people are playing it doesn't mean it's fine. I still play WHM because I still have faith that eventually they WILL make Lily and most importantly Confessions feel strong and fun to use. Also because I don't like the other healers.

Just a little something that I hope SE realizes. A lot of people may be playing the jobs, but many of them are not enjoying it.

That's a point indeed. I'm doing the same about sch, i don't like the other two. Tho with all the threads going around i still think they are aware of how dramatic the situation is. And we'll have knews next week already I'm sure. :)

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Originally Posted by Llynd

That's a point indeed. I'm doing the same about sch, i don't like the other two. Tho with all the threads going around i still think they are aware of how dramatic the situation is. And we'll have knews next week already I'm sure. :)

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Same here. The best we can do is voice concerns and hope for the best come 4.1. Not holding my breath but we will see.

I leveled scholar because its been my main since 2.0 and in the hopes of it getting the help it needs in the current state of things, I'm assuming most likely did the same with whm and other scholars as well. I also know a handful that said what the F*** are sch and whm? Then proceeded to dump them immediately for ast and poke fun at me daily for sticking with scholar.

I don't play scholar because i like to heal, I heal because I like to play scholar.

There is a distinct difference. And that is why I don't switch to AST or WHM. I will most likely finish the MSQ with SCH. Then switch to Redmage. I want some form of enjoyment from the game and right now, SCH doesn't provide that. Good post.

Dramatic? Pls =(

I suspect WHM is getting played lots because it's by far the best of the 3 healers in 4 man content, I'll absolutely agree that the lily mechanic is completely ignorable outside of PVP but the core kit is fantastic and it retained significantly more of it's personal DPS than either SCH or AST. Plus it can't be stressed enough that the job just flows so much better than the other healers right now. It's got significantly more depth to it's DPS gameplay.

Not going to comment on SCH as I was stating all of this a month ago but people couldn't see past their tears for WHM. Meh.

On the flipside AST is plenty powerful but just plays badly imo, too many oGCDs vs GCD abilities, the card gauge is a massive step backwards in terms of QOL and CO instantly dropping on cast because of turn to face is another classic example that demonstrates my earlier point that SE flat out don't have anyone in the class design team that understands or has any proper interest in end game healing. It's pretty clearly going to be the king of healers come Omega, but I don't want to be the one playing it.

Things are fine and people over-reacted / are over-reacting like always.

Are there some balancing issues? Yes. Could a few skills be tweaked to really increase their functionality? Of course.
Is the game or job broken because you can't Aero/Bio anymore? No. It isn't.

We can say the job is more boring - which is a personal opinion - but the goal was to streamline certain things and streamline often means simplify and simplifying a job that was perhaps more complex can make it feel sluggish and boring, but will it still be able to hold its own in a raid? Probably.

I really, really wish people would stop judging jobs when we don't even have access to the content the changes were built for - or the content built to handle these changes, I guess. I was kind of devastated by the changes to Scholar at first - on paper - and it irritates me to no end that my White Mage can practically solo heal and out DPS me when I'm doing DPS 90% of the time - something that would have been ridiculously hard for them to do a few weeks ago. But aside from having to adjust my notion of "what it means to be a Scholar" the job handles just fine and even things I thought were stupid - like Excog and Fey Union - I'm finding creative uses for in certain situations.

Things are different. That's all. And yes, some things need tweaking. I won't argue that. But White Mage and Scholar are going to pull through this. I promise.
They are both working just fine.

Just ran through the level 67 MSQ dungeon and I've never felt so helpless as a healer. Spamming Physick on the tank just to keep them alive because Eos is so weak. Can barely even Adlo them because it costs too much MP.

Still going to keep leveling SCH because its always been one of my favorite jobs (and RDM queues are murder) but I'm really hoping we can at least get a potency boost or something.

Personnaly, from what I tested / read WHM is as boring as it wae before (and maybe a little weaker)
I see it as the "easy" to play healer that will be used by beginners but my thought is that, as they take experience, they'll just fid it boring and witch on SCH or AST :/

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Originally Posted by Shai

Things are fine and people over-reacted / are over-reacting like always.

Are there some balancing issues? Yes. Could a few skills be tweaked to really increase their functionality? Of course.
Is the game or job broken because you can't Aero/Bio anymore? No. It isn't.

We can say the job is more boring - which is a personal opinion - but the goal was to streamline certain things and streamline often means simplify and simplifying a job that was perhaps more complex can make it feel sluggish and boring, but will it still be able to hold its own in a raid? Probably.

I really, really wish people would stop judging jobs when we don't even have access to the content the changes were built for - or the content built to handle these changes, I guess. I was kind of devastated by the changes to Scholar at first - on paper - and it irritates me to no end that my White Mage can practically solo heal and out DPS me when I'm doing DPS 90% of the time - something that would have been ridiculously hard for them to do a few weeks ago. But aside from having to adjust my notion of "what it means to be a Scholar" the job handles just fine and even things I thought were stupid - like Excog and Fey Union - I'm finding creative uses for in certain situations.

Things are different. That's all. And yes, some things need tweaking. I won't argue that. But White Mage and Scholar are going to pull through this. I promise.
They are both working just fine.

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If SCH is only designed to work in 8 man content then something is very wrong the job, I use to main a SCH but it's just frustrating to play now.