Monks, what do you think of Riddle of Fire?

Just unlocked it and tested it out for quite a while.
I'm not level 70 yet, so perhaps it works better later, but right now...This feels like a nerf.

I play Monk because I like the speed of it, yet this skill rips all of it away from us, it actually feels slower than a DRG with this "buff" on.

The damage doesn't really make up for how much slower we're attacking either. We're attacking less, generating less Chakra, and our rotation has suddenly become this clunky mess filled with Dot drop offs and buff misalignment.

I feel like this is another case like with Lightspeed, where the buff felt more like a debuff and using it just makes things needlessly clunky. I'm not sure why Monks need to be punished so much for this damage increase, to the point where the core of Monk is dropped off in favor of a slight damage increase.

What do you level 70 Monk's think?

It feels better when you can double it up with Brotherhood during your opener when you've got enough cool downs to make it busy, but outside of it I'm not a fan. Monk's signature thing from the get go is the haste on Greased Lightning, removing that is like giving Dragoons an action that prevents them from jumping or Ninja an ability that prevents them from using Mudras.

I would think that for every single ability that gets designed the developers must be asking themselves "does this feel good to use?", an important point of making a class fun to play is that it's abilities have a nice feel to them. They make you feel more powerful, more useful, more vital, etc. The problem with Riddle of Fire is that not only does the increased recast feel bad, it feels like the worst thing that can happen to a Monk; losing Greased Lightning. It feels so bad to the point of feeling like you've lost your buffs. Decreased skill speed is anathema to Monk, and in my opinion this skill has absolutely no place in our kit and is a fundamental misstep in design.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

It feels better when you can double it up with Brotherhood during your opener when you've got enough cool downs to make it busy, but outside of it I'm not a fan. Monk's signature thing from the get go is the haste on Greased Lightning, removing that is like giving Dragoons an action that prevents them from jumping or Ninja an ability that prevents them from using Mudras.

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Or Giving Scholars that prevents the use of Fairies or fairy skills then makes you pay to get them back. :p

Not a fan tbh. Whenever I put it on it takes me out of my groove. I'm so used to pressing buttons at a certain speed and it just kills it dead.

I think, it's a decent trade off from B4B. if you have all your ogcd up at the time, you don't really feel it.
You're too busy double weaving many buttons.
You can pop it at any time and no need to fear some bad punishment.
And the numbers get so huge

I don't mind it personally. Even besides just losing B4B, all my attacks in general just felt weaker in 4.0. Getting Riddle of Fire adds, in my opinion, some much-needed (Forgive the pun...) punch back to the Job. The increased damage output for its duration feels like a worthwhile trade-off for the temporary nullifying of GLs speed boost. It just feels good to use imo.

Certainly more-so than all my friends complaining about 4.0 MCH (Haven't had a chance to get into it myself though, so maybe when I do I'll similarly not mind it as much :P)

Skill is terrible and it should feel terrible.
It goes in the exact opposite direction that MNK was built in. It effectively cancels out Grease Lightning while also working against the Deep Mediation passive by allowing less GCDs being used during its duration and since TFC has become MNK's unfortunate crutch to hold us up as DPS, using RoF is a slap to the face as a skill.

Brotherhood or not, RoF is a god awful skill that needs a complete rework IMO. I'd settle for just a 15% damage buff without the drawback of killing our chef mechanics.

It's the best new skill we have, and it makes you feel off when using it. Sluggish, dissociated from your rotation, makes me feel like a punchy dragoon, and it, like most of our changes, runs anathema to some core, important skill(s), in RoF's case, Deep Meditation and GL speed.

In summation, it's meh. I miss my speed, but a direct crit TFC feels nice. Relative to the Monk and it's kit, it's counter intuitive.

It feels like just a substitute for B4B, while not being that great anyways. I still question the point of Riddle of Wind though

"Uh you can do 2 shoulder tackles"
"and together they're still weaker than a single fire tackle"