Wich of the 3 healer is the best PvP healer. and no it dont come down to style..:) PvPers out there you know what i mean(i hope)
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06-20-2017, 04:57 AMpoffoPvP healer
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06-20-2017, 05:20 AMAreic
It kinda does come down to style. SCH right now aren't the best at straight healing, but their boil is stupid for burning the mana/TP of enemies, so it's best if you wanna be more offensive. WHM right now has very strong heals and decent damage reduction+shielding and you can lower the cooldowns on your 40+ second stuff by accruing lillies, which is very easy to do. AST some people are calling a bit weaker, but I think it's powerful especially if you have to be on the move a lot due to your weak heal making the next heal instant cast+lightspeed cooldown.
So you gotta decide for yourself, do you wanna be offensive, strong heals/cooldowns, or mobile. This is for frontline though, for feast 8v8 I can very well see SCH/WHM being powerhouses, 4v4 the same, SCH working well with a dedicated team -
06-20-2017, 05:22 AMpoffoWell most of my experience comes from playing Druid in DAOC and Disc. WoW....being able to move around has always been an importent thing...imo.Quote:
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06-20-2017, 06:38 AMAreicYou'd probably like AST the most then. Though while pvp has definitely sped up with this expansion, it's still not the burst fest WoW can be where an unfortunate series of CCs can lead to your death. I believe right now after one CC here you're immune to said form of cc for about...12 seconds? So moving around isn't /quite/ as important if you stay in the back in frontlines or have a competent team in feastQuote:
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06-20-2017, 06:58 AMVolene
Hi there! Just thought I'd weigh in on this as an avid PvPer. This reply is mostly based on 4v4 ranked matches, but it should hold true for all PvP.
Every healer has been given some sort of identity, but like you said, there's a clear, objective "better" and it doesn't depend on style. For now, it's SCH > WHM > AST.
SCH is widely considered the best healer right now, and by far. Broil is completely broken, there's no way it won't be nerfed before season 5 starts, but the main problem is that it has no possible counter play, a SCH with only 3-4 GCDs to spare over the fight can easily swing the fight in his team's favour by making the enemy healer completely OOM and secure multiple kills for his team. Lustrate is a weaker heal now, but if gives 10 fairy charge and also reduces Aetherflow cooldown. It should really be one or the other. As it is now, when a Scholar has built up 65-70 fairy gauge, they can Summon and sustain Eos for very, very long because Aetherflow is up so often (45s cooldown -5 for every time a stack is expanded, so basically a 30 seconds cooldown, and using all stacks on Lustrate grants you 30 fairy charge every 30s, without even taking your regular heals into account, which grant 5 each). Having Eos out basically turns you into a god. I haven't lost an 8v8 game yet trying out SCH, even outlasting parties teams of 3 enemy healers while I was solo healing, because once you Summon your throughput becomes incredible and can be sustained for very long. You can deal with split damage with relative ease because of the shortened cast times on heals (1.3s), so you can heal a target (+Embrace) and then weave in Lustrate on another (+Embrace) to have very strong heals on both targets while also sustaining your fairy... it's like a vicious cycle of OP-ness. On top of that, SCH arguably has the best self defense (through Aura Blast, which is AoE unlike Fluid Aura for when you get swarmed by multiple people, especially useful in 8v8 or Frontlines) and Eye for an Eye to match WHM's Protect/Benison in mitigation capabilities. Finally, SCH also has the least MP issues of any healer, which allows you to spam your most expensive heal more easily than other healers that have to be more mindful of their MP pool. Overall, completely OP and overtuned class, your Aetherflow is up too often and your fairy sustain is too strong, while also being the most versatile offense/defense healer because of Chain Stratagem. Definitely expect nerfs before season 5, so enjoy it before then :P
WHM is the most "regular", middle-of-the-pack one. Its nuke is good but not ground-breaking, the heavy is nice against melees that come for you, or on people your team is focusing so they can't kite as easily. Cure and Cure II are basic and ensure you'll have 3 lilies up most of the time. Otherwise, its power rests in the sheer amount of OGCDs it has. Assize, Protect, Benediction, Divine Benison, all of those having their cooldowns reduced by lilies... a good WHM will make it seem like they always have one of those up to save a teammate from burst damage. Fluid Aura is very good but only works against one person. More mitigation than any healer through Protect and Benison, where SCH only has Eye for an Eye and AST only has Disable. WHM is also the only healer with an AoE heal outside of Limit Break, and the only one with access to regens. Regens make it that much harder to focus someone down, since spamming Cure on someone with a Regen on is usually enough to deal with sustained damage, where without the regens you'd have to use Cure II a lot more, which will drain your MP if the fight drags on. Overall, WHM is a very strong choice, but SCH is better because SCH is broken.
Finally, AST comes in last place, and it really is noticeably weaker than the others. The main problem with it is that his cooldowns don't actually increase his healing throughput. Like I said for SCH, Summon turns you into god mode, and a well-timed Benediction on WHM (when it actually goes off!!!!!) has to be the most frustrating thing to be on the receiving end of as an enemy DPS. Meanwhile, AST's main cooldown is Lightspeed, and its entire kit is built around it with basic heals reducing its cooldown - but Lightspeed doesn't actually make your heals hit harder, they just make them instant. The same goes for its gimmick where Benefic I makes the next cast instant. It's not bad, but it doesn't increase the sheer amount of healing you're dishing out. It's made for kiting, but even that is only so effective when you have to stop every second cast. Aside from that, ASTs lack in the self-defense department. Their mitigation option is Disable. It's worse than Protect/Benison and Eye for an Eye because you're using it on one enemy DPS, whereas the WHM/SCH options will work on anyone that attacks the target. If you get ganged up on, you can laugh and Aura Blast on SCH before repositioning, and putting E4E on yourself for when they come back. On AST, you can... Disable one of them... seriously, if Lightspeed if on cooldown and you can't kite, you're dead. Also, Deorbit is very situational and essentially a waste of one of your precious 9 skill slots. On the plus side, Synastry having 100% uptime is really nice - keep it up on the target being focused at all times, it's your only way to make your healing that much stronger. If you have to Synastry someone else to deal with split damage, you may have trouble keeping up because of the overall lack of good healing cooldowns. Finally, to add insult to injury, AST is the healer with the biggest MP problems. SCH has Aetherflow and WHM has Assize - AST has literally no MP regeneration that isn't tied to RNG. You get 1/4 chance of an Ewer every 30s. It's so pathetic it's laughable. Lightspeed reduces your spell's MP costs, but that's slapping a band aid on the issue. SCHs can get away with not picking Muse. On AST, it's 100% mandatory, and it might not even be enough if your Ewer luck is bad. Then, if you're pitted against a SCH that can get 3-4 Broils on you over the match, you will start feeling tears of self-loathing roll down your cheeks. Seriously, you'll get bullied. Don't play AST.
(Obviously I'm kidding with that last part, play what you find fun. Being a good player is 100% more important than picking the best job, that goes in PvP as well, especially in Frontlines or 8v8 where you'll find few serious PvPers - however, since you specifically asked for "not just playstyle", I had to warn you. SCH >>> WHM >>> AST, and if you want to seriously heal ranked matches, you'll definitely notice healer balance if you pick an OP job or a weak one. Now, regardless of the job you pick, always be aware of what you have available, a problem with most healers is that they tend to tunnel spamming heals and not use their mitigation or their cooldowns. And just like in PvE, Always Be Casting. You'll notice you improve a lot that way. Cheers!) -
06-20-2017, 11:24 PMpoffo
Thank you bouth for your in put....for some reasson i havent played pvp yet...even if i enjoy in especialy the healer job(not so much in pve). Seems to me, since i have a Whm at 60 i should try it out and see how the pvp seen fits me....i liked daoc open world and could survive wow bg's..not a fan of "gladiator" matches...low numbers against low numbers.
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06-21-2017, 07:05 AMEloah
SE got the PvP healers right. But i dont really agree that Broil is OP, since the regen ticks are higher and since you cant move and spam you become a sitting duck.
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06-21-2017, 08:31 AMSylvain
Nice text
It would be nice if light speed reduced casting time AND recast by 50% instead. That'd make it more fun to use too and more in line with the spell idea... That u do things fast