Mu suggestion for SCH AOE DPS

Hey Guys,

So as we all know in 4.0 healer damage is being significantly nerfed which I have no problem with honestly. However AST has Gravity and WHM has Holy. SCH has..... Bane "What a joke"? Shadowflare "Really"? Two DoTs "Don't make me laugh"? TBH in 4.0 I will not use Bane much at all anymore and Shadowflare will probably not be used much either on trash mobs. Anyway my suggestion is how about Broil II become AOE? Use Broil 2 then it causes an explosion around the target, blasting any other mobs around that target. I understand this is probably asking for much but to just cast Bio and Miasma then spam Broil II on one target? SCH dps will be less than nothing in dungeon runs. If we get no spammable AOE in 4.0 I will not DPS as SCH on dungeon trash anymore. I will DPS only in the boss fights. Again this could of all been changed already as Yoshi P said there has been allot of changes since the media builds. We shall see.

It would probably make us too good if Broil II were a spammable AoE/DD hybrid with its mana cost, and it would cripple us if it had standard AoE cost like Gravity/Holy.

We're still going to bane in dungeons because frankly we can't do much else, though broil spam on 3 mobs or less is likely more worth it.

I guess someone will have to do the math to find out if Shadowflare is even worth the gcd. Bane is an ogcd, and you still have two DoTs, so I still see no reason to not cast it, but Shadowflare is questionable.

As for Broil II being AoE, I am not quite sure how Ruin Mastery works. Ruin2 is instant, but Rune and Broil are hard casted. If Broil 2 is separate from Ruin Mastery then I see no reason why it couldn't be AoE. SCH needs something. A ways back, I brought up an ability for SCH called 'Aetherial Implosion', which when used, causes Shadowflare to implode causing damage to all enemies within with a potency that increases the longer Shadowflare is active. As with all my ideas, it was shut down, but it's funny how they took a similar concept and gave it to AST in the form of Earthly Star.

We will have to just wait and see how SCH gameplay turns out in 4.0, but it will likely need some tuning after SB is released.

They killed leeches from the level 40 job quest and should just give us our own aoe in that slot like Meltdown from prior ff games. The Bane nerf was more focused on SMN from what I can tell since they have other strong aoe skills.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I guess someone will have to do the math to find out if Shadowflare is even worth the gcd. Bane is an ogcd, and you still have two DoTs, so I still see no reason to not cast it, but Shadowflare is questionable.

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Shadowflare is 25 damage per tick for 30 seconds, which gives it about 250 potency for full duration. It is always worth dropping in all but the most abbreviated AoE situations, and even in single-target fights where it will tick for about 27 seconds it's still a damage gain, especially given it does its work even if you have to cancel cast to move. However if the fight is single-target and it will end in less than 24 seconds then Broil II spam would be superior, assuming you weren't interrupted during it.

In other words "yes" for AoE and stationary boss fights, "no" for weak things that die quickly and bosses that just got to get up and dance all over the room.

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Originally Posted by LegoTechnic

Shadowflare is 25 damage per tick for 30 seconds, which gives it about 250 potency for full duration. It is always worth dropping in all but the most abbreviated AoE situations, and even in single-target fights where it will tick for about 27 seconds it's still a damage gain, especially given it does its work even if you have to cancel cast to move. However if the fight is single-target and it will end in less than 24 seconds then Broil II spam would be superior, assuming you weren't interrupted during it.

In other words "yes" for AoE and stationary boss fights, "no" for weak things that die quickly and bosses that just got to get up and dance all over the room.

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Shadowflare now 50 dot for 15s = 250 potency, So we can get full damage in shorter time.

Disclaimer: I don't scholar very often and mostly level it via summoner >.>;

2 possible suggestions for SCH ideas.

1) A level 40 (to replace leeches) job ability that's an AoE DoT+DD similar to WHM's Aero III.

2) A rather weird suggested I posted in another one of these threads. Either
----1) An ability on Selene/Eos that would release an AoE/AoE DoT on Selene and basically turn Selene into Eos while Eos would have an AoE cure/Regen that would turn her into Selene.
----2) An ability on the scholar that produced these two effects by effectively changing the polarization of the Aether in Selene/Eos.

This way you could change them out easier for various effects and as a way for extra healing/damage.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I guess someone will have to do the math to find out if Shadowflare is even worth the gcd. Bane is an ogcd, and you still have two DoTs, so I still see no reason to not cast it, but Shadowflare is questionable.

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Shadow Flare is off the GCD with these changes, so it'll be worth using in almost all cases.

Healer dps is not really even considered for dps in the eyes of the developers. Time wasted on balancing healer dps is best used elsewhere now.

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Originally Posted by Ashua

Healer dps is not really even considered for dps in the eyes of the developers. Time wasted on balancing healer dps is best used elsewhere now.

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For little effort and thought, they could have just given SCH a gravity/holy clone to replace leeches at 40, but they care so little about healers to even do that.