I am so sick of Thok ast Thok.... (Nerf request)

I surely can't be the only person who is entirely sick and tired, and just out of patience with this stupid fight coming up in daily roulettes.

I would wager a bet that if we had the option to opt-out of a single instance in the Roulette, a good majority of players would likely choose Thok ast Thok as the opt-out and nobody would ever get the thing done unless they went in with FC.

I am so sick and tired of losing money and time to wiping multiple times in your average PUG group that one ends up with when doing the Trials roulette, and the majority of the time, what should be a 5-6 minute thing ends up taking 30, 45+ minutes because of the need to build up 5+ stacks of Echo for people to survive the Butterfly Phase.

(Really, SE? 1000 character limit? *sigh* very well. Continued in next)

The Butterfly Phase just requires too much coordination, and it is too easy for one single player to wipe the entire raid. It only takes ONE player to wipe the WHOLE group either by accident, and not realizing what is actually going on (the game does not tell you whatsoever), or intentionally (there are griefers out there and it is difficult sometimes to tell who is doing it). It only takes ONE player who is not in coordination with everybody else to cause enough swords to fall that Ravana simply wipes the whole group with that unavoidable instant death attack.

And then, should you survive the Butterfly Phase, is the ridiculous number of knockback attacks that he starts doing that cover 90% of the arena without warning, so new players have yet even more to learn, and should they die to THAT, welp, we wipe again because they can't be resurrected. So we have to AGAIN go through the Butterfly Phase.

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This boss would feel more at home in an optional endgame raid than the MSQ, and that Butterfly Phase is more suitable for something you would find in an Extreme Primal, rather than the normal MSQ version.

My suggestions (pick one):

1). In Non-Extreme, the butterflies should not drop swords, or the butterflies should have greatly reduced health, and perhaps longer casting time on Falling Laughter.

2). No instant death due to falling outside the arena -- similar to Leviathan, the walls should not break away in Non-Extreme.

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This would alleviate much of the problem, and make Thok ast Thok a battle that people don't have to groan, roll their eyes, or end up wasting 30+ minutes of their time on, only to have the group break up after several wipes.

Thok ast Thok does not feel very balanced, because it is easily the hardest boss in the entire Trials Roulette, yes, even harder than Nidhogg's Shade, despite the fact it shows up rather early in the Heavensward questline. Ravana is easily 5 times harder than Bismarck who comes after him, which just doesn't "feel" right, the difficulty spike just feels all wrong, and a boss like Ravana really belongs at endgame, because nothing else in the MSQ currently is even close to that kind of challenge.

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And, of course, I'm just sick of the stupid thing appearing in my Trials Roulette. I'm sick of losing 2,000+ gil in repairs every time he shows up, and of course the 30-45 minutes and sometimes we don't even end up completing the duty because the group breaks up, because more and more I see people who just have no patience for it, and I'm getting to be that way myself even though I generally try to stick around to help people, I recognize the fight as being far over-tuned for when you fight him.

I think a lot of regular Trials Roulette runners would be a lot happier if he were brought down a bit, at least the (Hard) version of him. Extreme can be challenging, because that's optional content.

(Finally. 1000 character limit is just ridiculous, it's difficult to actually post coherent thought with twitter-like messages).

err how's about NO?

This non-extreme fight is a complete joke even the butterfly phase.

I can understand that the quality of the comunity that is still playing for the next month has taken a nose dive until SB but that is no reason to request nerfing of super easy content

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Originally Posted by Ageofwar

err how's about NO?

This non-extreme fight is a complete joke even the butterfly phase.

I can understand that the quality of the comunity that is still playing for the next month has taken a nose dive until SB but that is no reason to request nerfing of super easy content

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"Super Easy Content"....

I'm tired of wiping again and again and again every time he shows up, and you still haven't addressed why we should have a boss at Lv54 that's harder than anything Lv54->60. That's just unbalanced, entirely. And no boss should have a mechanic where ONE out of 8 players can wipe the whole raid by doing it wrong, lol. That's just stupid.

I am so sick and tired of content being nerfed into the ground because people are utterly unwilling to even attempt to do it correctly.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

"Super Easy Content"....

I'm tired of wiping again and again and again every time he shows up, and you still haven't addressed why we should have a boss at Lv54 that's harder than anything Lv54->60. That's just unbalanced, entirely. And no boss should have a mechanic where ONE out of 8 players can wipe the whole raid by doing it wrong, lol. That's just stupid.

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Only in recent weeks have I personal have wipe so much on Thok ast Thok and The Limitless Blue or even the lifegate in Dun Scaith.
when these first came out you could easily finish these without a single wipe.
I'm sorry if you are not managing to do that now but asking for this to be nerfed is NOT the answer.
Like I said quite a bit of the comunity is taking a break from FFXIV until Stormblood (inculuding myself), So I believe that you are just unlucky and getting some pretty bad parties.

if you are needing this for clearing purposes I woulds suggest trying in PF.

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Originally Posted by ZhaneX

I am so sick and tired of content being nerfed into the ground because people are utterly unwilling to even attempt to do it correctly.

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thank you for putting my words in a shorter form