Elephant in the room - action changes from the lore standpoint

They don't make much sense.

I'd like to hear a confirmation of one kind or another as to whether the dev team has taken the "gameplay > lore" standpoint in which the lore will not be altered but the classes aren't going to fit said lore at all, or if they are going to alter the existing lore to make the new actions fit to it.

I'm just assuming all this lore will be removed so they care very little about it.

Like THM...it's np for them to destroying the class if the lore will change to actually fit BLM later...

I just find ironic that, in a try to add identity, at least at first glance, they actually did the opposite. Now the classes are very similar to FFXI, where they're all the same...you see, RDM, BLM and WHM at FFXI are very similar...WAR, DRG, SAM too...here you had unique mechanics for every class (like comparing FFXI BST, SMN and PUP...each one had it's own, unique style) but now you have the mage and the melee concepts. Other than MNK (which i'm curious to see) the other classes are exactly the same...MRD, GLA and LNC seems to be the very same thing and CNJ and THM too...exactly like the FFXI example above.

I do want to see how they going to adjust lore to fit this...and R.I.P. THM, one of the most complete classes i ever saw in a game...a class that could do everything...seems like it was too good for the "standards" of this dev team. Hoppefully we can meet THM again in another game! o/

We could argue about class identity all day long, as it is an interesting subject, but I'd like to draw the attention towards the lore in this thread if you don't mind.

Well I'm under the impression that the existing lore will be changed, especially going off the new class descriptions they put up. Thaumaturge's stands out the most:

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Thaumaturges are casters who command spells of the six elements to wreak havoc on their enemies. Their unparalleled devotion to the realm of magic endows them with the largest MP and smallest HP pools among all the classes. Though known for their inherently weak defenses, thaumaturges are feared for the destructive forces they wield. Specializing as a black mage serves to further strengthen class characteristics and also increases MP. Black mages are able to invoke devastating spells of ancient magic and subdue multiple enemies with a single cast.

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Sounds like a lore change/re-write to me, IMO.

Up until now, they made every change fit well to the lore.
Like when the monsters grew bigger and all the NPCs noticed and wondered about the reason.
Or this whole 7th catastrophe thing which will alter how Eorzea looks completely.

But I really want to see how they will do THIS now, because it changes so many things in such an extreme way..
Just implementing it without explanation -> extremely bad.
Saying stuff like "Oh, we sent the fire, ice and thunder elementals to Ul'dah so they can help the Thaumaturges"..->still very bad.
And please explain to me why a class which is so proud of being able to fight without weapons NOR magic now becomes magic based..monk..this does not even fit the Final Fantasy definition of MONK anymore, and certainly not the FFXIV definition.
I bet it's going to just be thrown at us without making sense.
Instead of writing "These changes are subject to change." under the new class system,
they should have written in the beginning "The lore of this game is subject to change, so don't expect a nice story which makes any sense at all."

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Well I'm under the impression that the existing lore will be changed, especially going off the new class descriptions they put up. Thaumaturge's stands out the most:

Sounds like a lore change/re-write to me, IMO.

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I can see what you mean.

The classes had pretty good lore background to begin with, hopefully the new lore won't be a huge downgrade from the status quo.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

I bet it's going to just be thrown at us without making sense.
Instead of writing "These changes are subject to change." under the new class system,
they should have written in the beginning "The lore of this game is subject to change, so don't expect a nice story which makes any sense at all."

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....until it's finished. Don't expect shit to make a whole lot of sense until the game is in a finished state (2.0). There was a vision for the old classes and the old game and it sucked so we got this new guy and he has a different vision so we're going with that now. There are going to need to be some changes for his vision to make sense, so he's making them. It may seem weird to us but only because we've been playing from the start and we'll be playing in what will later be known as Old Eorzea. When the game (hopefully) gets off the ground in 2.0 and we see a lot of people (again hopefully) they won't know that the lore has been drastically changed and from a new player's standpoint it'll make sense. It only seems dumb and strange to us because we're still playing right through the middle of all of the changes.

Personally, I'm not getting too attached to any particular concept or piece of lore until the dust settles and we have the final product.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

....until it's finished. Don't expect shit to make a whole lot of sense until the game is in a finished state (2.0). There was a vision for the old classes and the old game and it sucked so we got this new guy and he has a different vision so we're going with that now. There are going to need to be some changes for his vision to make sense, so he's making them. It may seem weird to us but only because we've been playing from the start and we'll be playing in what will later be known as Old Eorzea. When the game (hopefully) gets off the ground in 2.0 and we see a lot of people (again hopefully) they won't know that the lore has been drastically changed and from a new player's standpoint it'll make sense. It only seems dumb and strange to us because we're still playing right through the middle of all of the changes.

Personally, I'm not getting too attached to any particular concept or piece of lore until the dust settles and we have the final product.

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What this guy said. There needs to be less threads like this, tbh :I THE GAME IS BEING RE-DONE, CHANGES IS COME.

Hardly a big deal to rewrite some text and change a few cutscenes.

They just need to make CON seem more priest like and THM more mage like, the rest of the classes are pretty much the same.

Should be easily achievable before 2.0 goes live.

I don't really mind if they rewrote all of the lore, as long as it benefits the game in the long-run. I don't want the game to be tied down from future potential because of what Tanaka's team of writers had originally written.