Monk Not Always Proccing From Behind?

I seem to position myself as best as I can, but I don't always seem to proc the bonus effects of the skills? Is it a chance thing, or is it me just not being positioned well enough?
Also, are the effects added if you START the skill at the opponent's flank, or FINISH the skill at the opponent's flank?

Pugilist, sorry, not Monk

Behind means at the rear. Flank means at the side.

The effects from the monk skills are not tied to the positionals, they are tied to the form. Only the effect from Bootshine requires an additional rear positional.

the reason is because it dosent proc is you dont have enough acc and your hits miss thats all :o

regards hobbit :rolleyes:

PS: use a level 1 dummy and all your hits will land and proc ^^

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Originally Posted by EveK

Behind means at the rear. Flank means at the side.

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Ah, so as a Pug I should be throwing Bootshine and True Strike from behind, and then moving to the side to deliver Snap Punch?

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Originally Posted by Trussblink

Ah, so as a Pug I should be throwing Bootshine and True Strike from behind, and then moving to the side to deliver Snap Punch?

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short yes ^^

but as i say the only reason is when it is not proc is you miss.
bootshine proc from all sides but from front you need much more acc to land the hit.
sometimes the boss is invulnerable because of a cast or debuff than you miss and will not proc as well.

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Originally Posted by SmallHobbit

short yes ^^

but as i say the only reason is when it is not proc is you miss.
bootshine proc from all sides but from front you need much more acc to land the hit.
sometimes the boss is invulnerable because of a cast or debuff than you miss and will not proc as well.

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Oh, okay- And is it easier to hit targets from behind as all classes, or just with the Pugilist skills?
I never knew that about accuracy, thank you ^^

yes there are three type of acc cap on a target which are Front | Flank (side) | Back (Caster).
back is always as easiest to hit on all targets for all class (physical attacks only).
casts are same as a hit from back.

regards hobbit

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Originally Posted by Trussblink

I seem to position myself as best as I can, but I don't always seem to proc the bonus effects of the skills? Is it a chance thing, or is it me just not being positioned well enough?
Also, are the effects added if you START the skill at the opponent's flank, or FINISH the skill at the opponent's flank?

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If you get the positional, you get the bonus (critical or higher potency, depending on the skill) for that positional. It's not chance. And it's based on when the skill completes and takes effect.

It's based, however, on where the server says the mob is facing when the server sees your skill take effect. There is always a slight lag time (magnified when you're experiencing enough lag to be noticeable) between when you hit a skill and when that reaches the server, as well as lag between when the server decides a mob is turning and when your screen will display that turn. So sometimes it might look on your screen like you completed an attack from the right direction, but the server thinks the mob had already turned a different direction by then so you miss it. That's the most likely cause of what seems like randomly failing it, particularly if the mob is in motion or turning around the time you used the skill.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

The effects from the monk skills are not tied to the positionals, they are tied to the form. Only the effect from Bootshine requires an additional rear positional.

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The attacks work without a positional, but several do more damage with one:

Bootshine: Opo-opo Form Bonus: Critical damage if dealt from behind target.
True Strike: Delivers an attack with a potency of 150. 190 when delivered from behind target.
Snap Punch: Delivers an attack with a potency of 140. 180 when delivered from a target's flank.
Twin Snakes: Delivers an attack with a potency of 100. 140 when delivered from a target's flank.
Demolish: Delivers damage over time with a potency of 30. 70 when delivered from behind target. Duration: 18s

Both the critical bonus for Bootshine and the higher potency bonuses of the others there mean higher damage. (Though the only way to spot the potency changes is analyzing the numbers. There's no direct visible indication that there was X points of basic damage + Y points of additional bonus damage. All you see is how much damage you caused either way.)

Perhaps what you're confused about is not getting the bonus damage while solo. When solo, there is no way to get a rear bonus and no serious way to get a flank bonus if the target isn't performing an ability or spell or isn't stunned because they're always turning to face you before you count as being at their flank or rear. It doesn't matter what you visually see because everything has a delay in this game by design; it's not lag. Other than that, every offensive action is counted/calculated a split second after you start performing it, before it hits or visually takes effect.