Hello, just finished leveling my pld to 60 and wanted to try him out in Sophia. I was wondering if Sheltron blocks Sophia's tankbuster or atleast cut the damage in half? I have yet to try it out because I don't want to pop it and it fail on me and I get one shot lol.
Paladin's Sheltron in Sophia Ex
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10-23-2016, 07:44 PMKazuneHypnotikPaladin's Sheltron in Sophia Ex
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10-23-2016, 07:52 PMCanadane
It's a physical attack so you will block it.
But that's all Shelton does for you mitigation wise. It's the same block you see yourself doing from time to time. I would highly advise using it with another defensively cooldown. Shelton is on such a low timer it can be used all the time. -
10-23-2016, 07:58 PMSarcatica
If you want to allow yourself to tank in SwO, popping Sheltron before tank buster will soften your dmg taken by a considerable amount and you do want to still use your CDs. You have enough CDs to keep rotating anyway so you don't waste anything if you pop each big CD.
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10-23-2016, 08:08 PMSpookyGhost
As Canadane said, make sure to pair Sheltron with another CD - while it's really strong, the others will cover the tank buster and any damage before it. This means learning when the tank buster is coming, so you can have the big CD up for the damage before the TB and Sheltron up when she starts swirling green stuff.
Just some extra advice:
- Planned Hallowed usage is really strong in this fight as it avoids the need for a tank swap (Rampart + Sheltron -> [swap] -> Rampart + Sentinel -> [swap] -> Hallowed -> Rampart + Sheltron, as an example). However, sometimes things don't go perfectly as planned, so what I personally recommend is if you've used Hallowed before the Hallowed buster, use Sheltron + Convo. If you've got a SCH or a Diurnal AST you can get a buffed shield from it, and it should be alright. Basically don't be afraid to pop Hallowed if it's necessary outside of a TB.
- DV is strong in this fight, especially in 2x WHM groups. If anyone has weakness or Vuln Up after the adds die, it's a good place to DV. On top of this there are parts where Sophia will spam her AOE in bursts, which is another good place for it. A more niche potential use is to prevent the knockback from the head on everyone, but this might require a bit of coordination (basically if the head knockback does 0 damage you don't get knocked back)
- Speaking of this - Tempered Will! And Cover! TW will prevent the knockback from the head, and anyone Cover'd by you will also not get knocked back. I'm 99% positive that TW also works on the tilt, but I've never actually done it so someone would have to let me know if I'm wrong there. If that is the case I imagine Cover would also work on that as well.
- Don't forget to use Awareness. Also I thiiiiink Sophia's auto attacks are physical (can't remember) so I guess try and pop Bulwark at some point. Clemency can have niche uses, just don't use it to heal yourself up as soon as the TB smacks you as you could rip hate back just from that (depends on the tank, obv).
e: Oh you're a tank. Well. WHATEVER THERE'S SOME ADVICE ANYWAY. :P -
10-23-2016, 08:38 PMKazuneHypnotik
Yeah I'm a DRK main and tanked Sophia too many times to count but never PLD tanked it lol. You gave numerous tips that I did not know about as a pally so thanks! :P
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10-24-2016, 05:10 AMFebrusTempered Will works on all the knock backs, but the animation delay can shoot you in the foot. TW has to be popped WELL in advance of the actual hit, otherwise the game won't give two cents about the status bar and you'll get thrown along with the rest of the players. Honestly, the delayed effect should probably be debugged, because it can seriously be hit or miss at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
From what I can tell, the auto attacks are all magical, which is why the Pld shield is also useless for nearly every other aspect of the fight other than the TB's and Gnosis heads. I've never proc'd a shield swipe off of anything other than a TB or Gnosis in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
Magical auto attacks are also why the BEST CD's to use for the TB are Rampart or Sentinel. Foresight and Bulwark will work, however physical mitigation WILL NOT mitigate any incoming dmg following the actual TB (it's all electrical dmg). In theory, you should not have to worry about this because the OT should have swapped during the TB cast. That said, shit happens. Enmity is played pretty close to the wire during TB's, so it's best to keep a non-physical dmg reduction CD up, just in case the OT fails to secure aggro or a single auto attack gets through.
In regards to Shelltron, specifically, it useful in exactly 3 places of the fight. Firstly, Gnosis. You can actually block it. The block alone will NOT prevent the knock back (you still get dmg, so you still get pushed), however it will proc your Shield Swipe (which is otherwise useless in this fight), so it's worth the CD. Just remember that you have to actually face the giant head to proc the block. If you're facing Sophi, then Shelltron won't do jack here.
Secondly, adds. All three of them attack with physical dmg, so they can all be blocked and proc a shield swipe.
Thirdly, TB's. Every TB can be blocked. That said, it should not be blocked alone. You should try to memorize the TB timings in the fight (which can be difficult, as varying Dps can change the timing and order of attacks), so that you can plan out your uses of Rampart and Sentinel. Keep in mind that you also want to use those moves in advance of the block, because the TB charge time is quite short. If you wait too long to pop your buffs then you might actually miss the block. Try to plan ahead.
*Technically, I think her dash attacks during tilts can also be blocked as well, as the hit does appear to be physical (not confirmed, since I've never intentionally stood in one before). That said, I don't think anyone should be intentionally standing in stupid. The additional Dps from proc'ing a shield swipe is not worth the vulnerability stack or extra dmg, especially with how heavy the TB's are. -
10-24-2016, 09:24 PMFluffernuffI never really thought to try, since I save them for really wonky placed Aero IIIs, but I had it active during a tilt on NORMAL mode, and TW prevented it. SO its totally possible that it works in EX as well... so long as SE isn't cruel and made it un-TWable just for EXQuote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
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10-24-2016, 09:46 PMFevelle
As a healer, I can say that if you have SO on and use Sheltron it's enough for us to pick up the damage as long as the tank swap happens. If you somehow plan on taking the next hit, or your co-tank is not reliable, use more powerful cooldowns like Sentinel or else you WILL die.
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10-25-2016, 04:59 AMAwful
Paladin is perfect for Sophia it's toolkit has great coverage for example:
- Sheltron is a GOD send for this fight abuse it as the tank buster is physical but her auto attacks are magical
- Tempered Will negates any of the sliding around if you need to go long or far you can just stand still and when the spooky face knocks you all back makes you cheese them
- Covering your other tank while using Sheltron + another CD makes you not eat the auto attack to die
- Divine Veil the AoEs that come out before the tank busters makes it trivial to heal
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10-25-2016, 07:30 PMFernosaur
List of cool things PLD can do on this fight:
- Tempered Will does cancel the movement from the tilt, which is pretty great for a variety of situations. If you somehow mess up in running to the edges on time (we're humans, we err), you can just pop TW and you'll be fine. It's also good if raid DPS isn't high enough to skip the first Quasar, since the first balance tilt here will be followed immediately after by a Thunder II. This way you can just pop TW and keep your position while keeping everyone else safely away from the cleave in case they forget to reposition themselves beforehand (or if they, like our MNK, very eagerly Shoulder Tackle straight into Thunder II >_>). I would advice againts using TW for the tankbuster, since, as Februs said, the timing is kinda crap and it's easier to just reposition yourself slightly. You're better off using it for other things.
- Another use of Tempered Will: with my group, we used to have Scholar deploy Adlo + Divine Veil at the start of the fight, which is just enough time for the head to do Gnosis. This completely prevents the knockback, and if you use TW, you will also stand in place yourself, positively ignoring a mechanic for 100% uptime, which is really good in this very, very simple first phase.
- Cover might also work in conjunction with TW for the tilts, but I might be wrong, since the tilts aren't actually caused by physical damage, like Leviathan's or Twintania's divebombs. I have yet to test this, if I ever go back into Sophia on PLD (or at all) for wtv reason.
- A Divine Veil in conjunction with a deployed crit Adlo will reduce the damage from all three hits of Cintamani to like 0 to 3000 at most. Use that wisely for healer DPS!
- Like HG, Cover+Sheltron can also be used to ignore a tank swap if your tank buddy is missing cooldowns for whatever reason, or just to avoid the risk implicit in a tank swap. The best part is that since you'll be getting the electric debuff and the auto-attack damage is magical, you won't get a Cover suicide! AND, you'll get a Shield Swipe proc even when OTing. Just make sure to, uh, not be close to an edge, or you'll say bye bye.