Bizarre Internal Inconsistencies For No Apparent Reason

The more I play this game the more bizarre inconsistencies become apparent.

Two examples:

1) As a WHM when down-leveled to, say, 15 I don't have access to Stoneskin, but when down-leveled to ACN I DO have access to it - entirely illogical

2) I CAN use my chocobo when doing normal leves but NOT when doing guildleves.

I mean, I don't mind restrictions but at least make them consistent and logical.

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Originally Posted by Pintsized

1) As a WHM when down-leveled to, say, 15 I don't have access to Stoneskin, but when down-leveled to ACN I DO have access to it - entirely illogical

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As an arcanist you're using it as a cross-classed skill. They don't have the same restrictions as the base skills.

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Originally Posted by Pintsized

2) I CAN use my chocobo when doing normal leves but NOT when doing guildleves.

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This is by design. They don't want us doing grand company leves in a party (which includes chocobos).

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Originally Posted by Pintsized

I mean, I don't mind restrictions but at least make them consistent and logical.

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They are consistent though. Cross class skills don't have the same restrictions as base skills (a restriction) and no grand company leves allows being in a party (a restriction).

But GC leves work exactly the same as normal leves.
Why is there no restriction on normal leves then if they don't want us to do them in a party?

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure normal leves DID have the same restriction and they just removed it at some point.

1) Why is it illogical that you can use your ONE cross class skill on that level but not a skill thats on a higher level than your "current" one? Level-synch isnt in place to prevent you from using stoneskin. For your arcanist thats one extra spell - the same as your whm can have one extra skill on that level.

2) You can use your chocobo when doing leves because they can be done in groups and you and your chocobo count as a group. Guildleves cant be done in groups (even though I dont excatly know why... probably because of different GCs or something like that?)
While the whole "your chocobo is a partymemeber"-situation isnt great and optimal, its pretty consistent with the way the game works.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

But GC leves work exactly the same as normal leves.
Why is there no restriction on normal leves then if they don't want us to do them in a party?

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure normal leves DID have the same restriction and they just removed it at some point.

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Normal battle leves could always be shared ever since 1.0. There's even leve linking that allows people in the same party to complete the same one at the same time instead of having to do it multiple times per person no matter who initiates it.

GC Leves were always solo Leves since it came ingame during 1.x
1.19 patch note:

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[dev1138] Company leves have been introduced.

Rewards for company leves will consist primarily of company seals.
Company leves are not issued by the Adventurers' Guild, but by company officers stationed at the locations listed in the chart below. Company leves will be similar to Battlecraft Leves in nature, with the exception that they can be issued on location and commenced immediately. As with guildleves, accepting company leves will consume players' leve allowances.

NPC Name NPC Location
Hammil Cassiopeia Hollow (7,5)
Cordwyk Mun-Tuy Cellars (7,6)
Byrne Nanawa Silvermines (6,6)
Sternn Western La Noscea (6,16), near Camp Bald Knoll
Lodall North Shroud (22,16), near Treespeak
Dalvag Eastern Thanalan (42,28), Halatali

Company leves are all solo missions, and therefore cannot be linked or shared.

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While cross-class skills don't have a direct level requirement (except to learn it), the slots have a level requirement. As an example at level 10 until level 19 you can only equip 1 cross class skill, no matter how many you have learned.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure normal leves DID have the same restriction and they just removed it at some point.

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Normal Leves were for solo and party since 1.0 beta.

The difference between normal leves and GC leves is that the normal leves are for exp and level up, while the GC leves are for GC seals.

Not so much inconsistency as you just dont understand things that well. Keep playing, the picture will fill in eventually as you learn.

Guys. He understands the discrepancy. The discrepancy is arbitrary and makes no sense though.
- The cross class issue could be circumvented by allowing a Class to keep all of their cross-able skills when level adjusted (this wouldn't amount to basically nothing)
- The Chocobo bit is probably similar to queueing with a Chocobo. Will never be fixed, please look forward and back to it.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Normal battle leves could always be shared ever since 1.0.

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Quite, 'leve parties' were a big part of leveling in 1.0, not least due to the lack of a questing system of any great depth .. V2's quest set is pretty paltry compared to other 'theme park' MMOs, V1's was positively anemic.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

1) Why is it illogical that you can use your ONE cross class skill on that level but not a skill thats on a higher level than your "current" one?

2) You can use your chocobo when doing leves because they can be done in groups and you and your chocobo count as a group.

While the whole "your chocobo is a partymemeber"-situation isnt great and optimal, its pretty consistent with the way the game works.

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1) FFXIV is the complete opposite of FFXI, which at least strictly adhered to the main/sub job concept, this flies in the face of it.

2) But as someone pointed out, it's entirely an artificial and arbitrary differentiation to say GC leves are different in any meaningful form, the ONLY difference is one of the rewards, apart from that the mechanics are identical.

It's all moot of course, it is what it is, but IMO these are simply arbitrary inconsistencies for no logical reason.