Co-Op Dungeons (for DoW/DoM and DoL)

I was thinking about this and had some ideas:

Have instanced dungeons with the requirements of
2 - 8 DoW/DoM members
1 - 4 DoL members (optional)

essentially, up to 2 parties can occupy these dungeons. But the DoL classes would be required to access different/harder bosses, chests with rare items, etc.

Within these dungeons, the DoW/DoM group will clear the area of enemies which would then allow the DoL classes to extract items from nodes. Have areas blocked off that require DoL to open, such as cave-ins requiring miners, overgrown roots requiring botanist, plugs/switches that are underwater and can only be activated by fishers.

These actions would give nice xp rewards to the DoL that performed the action (or maybe multiple DoL of the same class are required for some areas).

Giving DoL the chance to obtain rare items only available in these instances would be a good incentive i think.

Yoshi-p talked about that and said it was not a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

In between now and 2.0, I won’t say there will not be any or that or they will not be implemented, but they will be very few in number. If we do not lay the proper foundation, the branches will not develop. However, we are preparing a bunch of content for Disciples of the Land and Hand with the achievement system planned for patch 1.20 (with Land/Hand-specific rewards too).

Also, the same goes for content that is intertwined with battles.

"While in the dungeon, if you do not have a Disciple of Land in your party, certain items will not drop. Inside the dungeon there will be doors that can only be opened by keys that can only be made by Disciples of the Hand."

While it is possible to plan and implement something like this, the below points ultimately display a number of problems.
Battle classes would need to save a spot for a class with no battle proficiency (Stressful)
Disciples of the Land and Hand will be bored during battles (Stressful)
Battle balance would be off if we made Disciples of the Land and Hand count as party members (Stressful)
If we gave Disciples of the Land and Hand support abilities, then class identity would be destroyed. (I understand that there are comments like this though lol "It's fine! Wouldn't it be cool? Just try it for this dungeon!" So, I'm thinking maybe we can try it out just once if we have the time.)

With all this said, I really think it is better to create specialized content for each class.

In addition, I'm considering proceeding with the creation of Ishgard Defense (tentative name) with the goal of content that exists parallel on the class level.

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Yoshida touched on this very topic yesterday in a long forum post.

No thanks.

Indeed, but no details - only "we may try this once".
So I thought I would toss out some ideas to support this thought process.

Because it's a bad idea.. like he said.


Just face it DoH/L are secondary "hobbies" in this game... right where they should be.

Tough crowd :p

I would really like to see this too, I even commented on Yoshi-P's comments about it here.
I really don't see why it is "stressful" from an adventurer's point of view. He kept insisting on how the main quests are going to be battles because we have to see it from the adventurer's point of view, not the classes by themselves. Then, for mixed dungeons, he goes back on his words saying things from the class's point of view. I don't get that, we can switch to battle class and vice versa anytime (except during battles).

Mixed dungeons would be fun and not that difficult to balance since adventurers can change class in different parts of it. It would simply require to have the adventurers level up a Discipline of the Land or Hand class in addition to their battle class (wait, isn't that the purpose of the armoury system?! What a coincidence!).

wow doh and dol players even want dungeon content now. ftw

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Originally Posted by Nakiamiie

I would really like to see this too, I even commented on Yoshi-P's comments about it here.
I really don't see why it is "stressful" from an adventurer's point of view. He kept insisting on how the main quests are going to be battles because we have to see it from the adventurer's point of view, not the classes by themselves. Then, for mixed dungeons, he goes back on his words saying things from the class's point of view. I don't get that, we can switch to battle class and vice versa anytime (except during battles).

Mixed dungeons would be fun and not that difficult to balance since adventurers can change class in different parts of it. It would simply require to have the adventurers level up a Discipline of the Land or Hand class in addition to their battle class (wait, isn't that the purpose of the armoury system?! What a coincidence!).

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It's "stressful" (maybe not the best word) because the DoW/M have to basically 'carry' you through the dungeon just so you can craft a few keys / items to advance to a boss that we again have to 'carry' you through.

It's "stressful" because DoL/H have to do nothing except for 4 minutes (if that) of crafting for 1-2 items. Watching people fight things and not actually participating would be completely boring.

Another note... why would I ever bring a DoL/H only player? I would just REQUIRE whoever was in the group to have DoL/H leveled so we could have 8 DoW/M and whoever we needed to switch to DoL/H to craft the one item.

It's more annoying than it's worth.




People b*tched about "needing" to have Sentinel for Ifrit... can you imagine the backlack if a new dungeon came out and they "needed" to have DoL/H to 50 so people would invite them?