Dungeon Etiquette: a question about Do's and Don'ts

I wasn't exactly sure where this would fit on the boards or if it's really "thread worthy" but i'll ask anyway.

So i'm basically a career tank with very minimal experience or knowledge in every individual job. I don't think thats unreasonable. I'd rather improve in what I already know than expend learning everything in depth for roles/ jobs I have little or no interest in playing myself.

But because of this mentality, it leaves me wondering about the decisions of some DF players or how I could reach out in a dungeon run to make things run smoother.

Just an example, I do the second pull in sohr kai- the 2 or 3 bugs, the fan, the tree, and those flying root things... And i notice the cast bar for the BLM is a fire 1 or fire 3 when theyre already at full fire stacks. I know its more damage for them to throw out fire 2 because AoE or even flare, but since I lack any knowledge in the job as a whole, how can I rightly give "advice" in such things?

who am i to tell them how they should play when i dont know the first thing about it?

I mean this could also be expanded to WHM not using Holy on large pulls, or BRD not properly multi-DoTing and the like.

How does one deal with these minor, but ultimately harmless, annoyances? Is it right to really say anything without a proper background or knowledge and just suck it up?

I usually just roll with it. Unless it's something that'll wipe the run it's not worth making a fuss about.

Of course this is coming from a career DPS so take that with a grain of salt.

As a tank, you have to work harder if people who should be AoEing are not. You are well within your right to tell people to AoE. Especially BLMs, whose AoE rotation is no different at 60 than it is at 50.

You would also have to work harder as a healer if people who should be AoEing are not.
And as a DD.

So really, just tell them to AoE.

Just from my own personal experiences when playing online games, I try to focus on what I am doing, and let the other group members just play how they prefer to play their role. The only time I feel comfortable making suggestions to someone is if the group is not doing very well. Even if it takes a few more minutes to clear the zone, as long as we are not getting killed, I'm not complaining.

And when people have given me tips and tricks on how to play my role in mmorpg, iv always appreciated the ones who waited tell the group was over, and then sent me a private message. So as not to possibly embarrass me in group, as well as giving me time to ask questions or go into a more detailed strategy without holding up other people who were in the group.

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Originally Posted by Masquerade

And when people have given me tips and tricks on how to play my role in mmorpg, iv always appreciated the ones who waited tell the group was over, and then sent me a private message. So as not to possibly embarrass me in group, as well as giving me time to ask questions or go into a more detailed strategy without holding up other people who were in the group.

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In any other game, I'm totally with you on that one. If we had the option, I'd rather take it up in private and offer some real 1-on-1 mentor time. Unfortunately, insofar as duty finder is concerned, due to the nature of data centers, this just isn't an option the vast majority of the time. If we say nothing during the run, no one will ever get better.

I would say
As for the BLM example
If the tank pull 3 mob or less
Single target enochian rotation is viable
If 3+ mobs lv50 ARR rotation is key

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As for giving out advice
I would say that if you do not have the said class/job yourself and play it often
Do not try to advice because it will never be recieve well

Many people try to teach me healing and doesn't even have a lv40 healer and ignore half of the toolkit

To sum up, if you don't play it do not speak xD

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Also whm not using holy means lazy "heal only" player

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Originally Posted by silvermoon383

I usually just roll with it. Unless it's something that'll wipe the run it's not worth making a fuss about.

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I usually do the same. If a healer isn't doing DPS or a Black Mage isn't using AoE on 4+ mobs, I probably won't say anything unless I'm really in a rush or it could lead to a wipe.
For example, if there is only 15 minutes before daily reset and I'm doing my last roulette, I would say something.

I've also spoken up when I've seen a Black Mage only using Blizzard spells...

I generally don't give advice on jobs I haven't leveled though, because my advice might not even be good.

In any case, if you do give advice, I'd recommend being as polite as possible. Some people really offended by the smallest things or take things the wrong way.

If you want to be respectful/considerate about it, especially considering you may lack the complete knowledge, instead of advising, you might simply ask. "Does aoe do more damage for you?" As long as you don't come off too passive aggressive, instead of telling them how they should be playing, it should seem more like you just want to learn.

Not only is it ok to speak up, but you should feel obligated to. Tons of players don't realize using fire 2/flare combo is more dps than spamming fire 1 3 or 4 when there is more than 2 enemies. Having never played a job doesn't mean you don't know the basics on how it works.

If you know for a fact they're not using something that will do more damage and considerably speed up a run/pull, speak up. But you also have to decide when to pick your battles. I had a SCH yesterday for Sohr Kai who was hardly dpsing at all. As someone who plays SCH quite often in roulette (though I am a tank main, like you) it always annoys me when I see SCH who aren't rousing their fairy, throwing down a shield, an adlo, and putting on dots that they bane on big groups. But I didn't say anything. Later on in the dungeon I did notice her using dots on bosses. So I ultimately chalked it up to a playstyle difference. Perhaps she was focused on healing me through large pulls because, after all, I was on DRK and she may have had squishy DRK's.

Your BLM situation could have been called out. As dps at the very least during that nice big pull they could be doing aoe damage and back to back flares.