BRD/MCH in 4.0

Honestly, ever since the Gauss Barrel/Wanderer's Minuet debate over wanting to be mobile compared to just being another caster except doing physical damage, I've been wondering: What adjustments would be made to BRD and MCH in 4.0 to even make WM/GB worth using? As it is now I already know people complained on release of 3.0 that WM/GB were annoying mechanics that limited others. What would it be like in 4.0?

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

Honestly, ever since the Gauss Barrel/Wanderer's Minuet debate over wanting to be mobile compared to just being another caster except doing physical damage, I've been wondering: What adjustments would be made to BRD and MCH in 4.0 to even make WM/GB worth using?

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Personally? I'd like to see WM either redesigned or dropped entirely. There's little in the BRD storyline that points to it in any fashion (unlike other job abilities that are usually attained after the quest NPC says "I'm going to teach you X"), so it would be easily replaced.

The current design doesn't really leave many avenues as is, though a possibility would be BRDs getting additional songs (reduces target's damage dealt for X seconds?). MCH is a little tougher, though I'd like to see them get a cooldown where the MCH's turret combines with their gun for a short time.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Personally? I'd like to see WM either redesigned or dropped entirely. There's little in the BRD storyline that points to it in any fashion (unlike other job abilities that are usually attained after the quest NPC says "I'm going to teach you X"), so it would be easily replaced.

The current design doesn't really leave many avenues as is, though a possibility would be BRDs getting additional songs (reduces target's damage dealt for X seconds?). MCH is a little tougher, though I'd like to see them get a cooldown where the MCH's turret combines with their gun for a short time.

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If they got rid of the bow mage gameplay of it I might actually start playing bard again.

Seen a few suggestions for bed that scrap minuet such as giving a stacking buff that builds the more you stay still. And falls off the more you move. Taking 2 or 3 steps to dodgensure an aoe for example might only lose 1 stack. Taking more than that would lose more stacks.

They do need to scrap the bow mage element though. Turn the class back into an archer and not a wannabe mage

4.0 will likely be more trait related than giving new abilities. Traits that may change an ability or stance enough that the job feels different at 70. Adding more abilities at this point will over complicate a job unless it is something not intrusive.

I don't mind casting stances at all. Only thing that does concern me is that we do not get a real DPS advantage on it. We are just able to catch back up to what the DPS comparison was in 2.0.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

Honestly, ever since the Gauss Barrel/Wanderer's Minuet debate over wanting to be mobile compared to just being another caster except doing physical damage, I've been wondering: What adjustments would be made to BRD and MCH in 4.0 to even make WM/GB worth using? As it is now I already know people complained on release of 3.0 that WM/GB were annoying mechanics that limited others. What would it be like in 4.0?

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WM is always worth using and you can switch it off if needed.

Funny thing is that people complain about this, like a bow could fire like a maschine gun without any aiming. Also they complain that they can't jump around like a flea, but if they did that they did it wrong from the start.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

WM is always worth using and you can switch it off if needed.

Funny thing is that people complain about this, like a bow could fire like a maschine gun without any aiming. Also they complain that they can't jump around like a flea, but if they did that they did it wrong from the start.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

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Originally Posted by SmittenKittin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

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Playing devils advocate here (since we are playing a fantasy game where realism doesnt matter) but that video got exposed as fraudulent. Essentially it shows trickshooting, which isnt related to actual combat (lack of power and accuracy for instance).

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Originally Posted by ChaozK

Playing devils advocate here (since we are playing a fantasy game where realism doesnt matter) but that video got exposed as fraudulent. Essentially it shows trickshooting, which isnt related to actual combat (lack of power and accuracy for instance).

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My (admittedly) quick googling shows the speed record is real at least, and he hasn't even got Hydaelyn helping him out.

Rest seems a bit faked, cool though. Like watching a magic act.

TRAITS:

• Enhanced Gauss Round: Can be charged up 3 times. Higher potency with each charge
• Enhanced Ricochet: Can be charged up 3 times. Higher potency with each charge
• Enhanced Wildfire: Manual detonation enabled
• Enhanced Dismantle: Add piercing damage for 30s
• Enhanced Rend Mind: Add extra 15s to each DoT on target
• Enhanced Rapidfire: Any skills have a reduced GCD (1s) while standing. Effect wears off when moving.
• Enhanced Grenado-Shot: Add Vulnerability-Debuff

NEW:

• Double Turrets (Trait): Place 2 turrets on the battlefield
• Injection (Skill): Heals a specific target. Costs 1 ammunition and must be close to the target.
• LADY Auto-Turret (Skill): Heal over Time. Promotion: Increased defense.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

My (admittedly) quick googling shows the speed record is real at least, and he hasn't even got Hydaelyn helping him out.

Rest seems a bit faked, cool though. Like watching a magic act.

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Oh the speed is real the bow power just wouldnt be able to pierce through leather armor or the sorts. You need a more powerful bow for that with more draw weight, which you cant shoot that fast.