I am wondering if that machine was what Tiamat was referring to when she said the Ascians gave ancient Allag the means to entrap primals/eikons. I am also wondering if Unukalhai has something to do with its core mechanism, given his stellar nomenclature.
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04-15-2016, 03:52 AMZohar_LaharThe Omega
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04-15-2016, 04:15 AMAnonymoose
The Aetherochemical Research Facility was technically what developed the Ultima and Omega technology, while I believe Tiamat is specifically referring to Dalamud, here. She says that the Ascians also gave knowledge to Allag, leading to Bahamut being entrapped within [永劫の檻], a cage of eternity, or eternal prison.
I'm not actually sure which information / technology was provided from the Ascians to Allag directly; perhaps the knowledge of the Paragons was utilized in the design of both the weapons and the satellite. Maybe it was the knowledge about how a primal might be manipulated into eternal limbo. The game has been pretty unspecific about that; I suppose because there's no reliable vector for that information.
Who was there to see? -
04-15-2016, 11:01 PMFenralDoga and Unei were pretty high-ranking, enough that their clones are everywhere. Archmagus Noah's time of death is unknown, but (s)he was in a crystal orb in Syrcus Tower from that time on, pretty much the ultimate fly-on-the-proverbial-wall. Salina contradicts Doga and Unei's accounts in a few key places, so I'm not sure if that makes her more or less viable.Quote:
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It'd be pretty neat if we ever got to meet a pre-augmentation Amon clone somewhere. Maybe he's in stasis in some... forbidden vault somewhere? -
04-16-2016, 02:40 AMAlberelThe Ascians gave Allag the Heart of Sabik to use as the core for Ultima Weapon and this had the rather unique ability to imprison primals and use their powers at will. I wouldn't be surprised if Omega was similarly built around some kind of Ascian core. As far as we're aware it was Omega that defeated and imprisoned Bahamut, right?Quote:
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The only other technologies that Allag might have been given would be the neurolinks or the artificial prayer channeling devices, though it wouldn't be too much to think Allag developed these themselves. -
04-16-2016, 05:57 AMNalien
I really hope the Eorzean Alliance has foolishly hyped up Omega...
"These inscriptions suggest this was built to slay Bahamut! This must be really powerful to stop that Primal!"
Fast forward to Heavensward and Azys Lla...
Allag killed Bahamut (the dragon) and Tiamat summoned Bahamut (the Primal)? How did the Allagan kill Bahamut (the dragon)...
Fast forward to 3.5, Nero walks in and chastises everyone for not realizing that this is the weak Omega Mk I that was used to slay Bahamut (the dragon) and was just on display because culture, hinting that perhaps the Allag perfected the machine and there's an Omega Mk XIV out there somewhere... Maybe have Teledji temporarily revived just so he can learn how dumb his ambitions were given how weak this Omega is, and to give Nero something to play croquet with...
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Is it weird that I've long since figured Unukalhai will absorb the Triad at some point, but never once made the connection between his name and the Heart of Sabik and it's purpose? I hope Nero inserts himself into the Triad story... "That's thing isn't "Unukalhai"! It's the Bishi of Unukalhai! An enigma whose surface even the vaunted scholars of ancient Allag failed to scratch!", Gods damned it SE, bring back Nero already! -
04-16-2016, 08:04 AMFenral
This is all going to end with Cutest Ascian embracing his duty and turning into a small, high-powered rock so we can plug him into an anti-primal mech to fight Nidhogg and/or Garleans, isn't it?
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04-17-2016, 07:28 AMZohar_Lahar
Prior to Heavensward, Yoshi-P mentioned part of a side story would go into how Omega captured Bahamut. Since it seems likely Omega was also used to restrain the Warring Triad, I'm wondering if this story arc will build up to Omega's reactivation (and then tie back into the Main Scenario for 4.0).
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04-18-2016, 11:23 AMJacostDragon!Bahamut wouldn't have been that weak. He's still one of the First Brood after all, right up there with Nidhogg. And remember that Nidhogg, even with only one eye that isn't even his, can kill you instantly unless his actual eye is turned against him.Quote:
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Now consider that Dragon!Bahamut would have had both of his eyes when Allag defeated him. It's unknown what a First Brood dragon is like at full power, but I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility that the Primal!Bahamut was actually weaker than the original. I guess we'll find out when we get our rematch with Full Power Nidhogg in 3.3. -
04-21-2016, 11:38 AMFebrusI find this to be the more interesting part of the history.Quote:
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Personally, I have little doubt that Omega weapon (or something similar) was utilized in capturing and imprisoning Bahamut, as the weapon was outright stated to have been designed specifically to deal with Elder Primals such as Bahamut. If I recall correctly, this information was revealed during a meeting between the heads of state in patch 2.3, in which they introduced the lore behind the Secure game-mode; though, I don't recall if they ever stated where they came across this information (probably off of one of the many allagan relics in the cartaneu flats).
Regardless, what I find more interesting is that since the fall of the Allagan empire, the Ascians have almost never provided similar technological support to any other species in Eorzea (Ultima Weapon being the one possible exception). They have chosen instead to work with beast tribes, and what little presence they've had in the more civilized cultures of Eorzea has been through manipulation rather than technology. Personally, this leads me to believe that the Allagans may not have used it in a way that the Ascians had considered, and that the Ascians eventually concluded that it was a mistake to give them such information (whatever that information may have been). -
04-21-2016, 02:02 PMFrederick22No point to give information to a civilisation that doesnt have the tecnological means to make such weapons I suppose.Quote:
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