AST and Party Bonus Live Letter feedback.

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Q: Full parties that feature a scholar and astrologian don’t have a MND party bonus so there are times where there’s added difficulty in healing. Do you have plans to change the party bonus for scholar or astrologian?

A: It’s not difficult to change this; however, by changing this, we worry that some may think of this as a nerf. Our view on this is that we should make the party bonus effective no matter what kind of healer combination is used, but we would like to hear from the players to see if it would be alright to remove PIE bonus, so please let us know on the forums. We would like to consider changing this.

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For AST we don't mind having the PIE bonus when in Noct, we already have a healing bonus in that stance and we won't be using Noct with a SCH anyway.

It is when we are Diurnal do we want a MIND bonus...just to clarify!

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MND for Diurnal please, or just make all healers grant MND/PIE I guess, so long as their is 2 in the party.

This is not my suggestion initially but i like the idea a lot and will repost it here.

Allow the first healer (regardless of job) to give a MND bonus.
Allow the second healer (regardless of job) to give a PIE bonus.

This way you'll always have a mind bonus in the group regardless of comp in any content and you'll get the additional bonus of PIE in any comp for all 8-mans.

This will also help get around weird healing comps you may get in DF / DR as well.

Maybe much harder to program in but would personally love to see this implemented.

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

For AST we don't mind having the PIE bonus when in Noct, we already have a healing bonus in that stance and we won't be using Noct with a SCH anyway.

It is when we are Diurnal do we want a MIND bonus...just to clarify!

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But, if it's impossible to implement things this way, would you prefer they swap to MND for both stances? I certainly would. IIRC ACN brings PIE, so even without a SCH we'd still get that bonus by having a SMN in the party.

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Originally Posted by Jacost

But, if it's impossible to implement things this way, would you prefer they swap to MND for both stances? I certainly would. IIRC ACN brings PIE, so even without a SCH we'd still get that bonus by having a SMN in the party.

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Nope, SMN brings INT

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Originally Posted by Jacost

But, if it's impossible to implement things this way, would you prefer they swap to MND for both stances? I certainly would. IIRC ACN brings PIE, so even without a SCH we'd still get that bonus by having a SMN in the party.

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SMN gives INT
ACN and SCH give PIE

If it was the case that it was impossible to make the sects have individual party bonuses, then I'd want all 3 Healers to have MND bonus, and the PIE bonus to just be added when in a full 8 man party or something.

This has been a recurring conversation for as long as Heavensward has been out and the best balanced solution would indeed be to give MND bonus for one healer and PIE bonus for 2 healers, regardless of party composition. It's simple and elegant.

They don't even need to get rid of PIE this way, no harm done to BLMs, best of both worlds, future-proof etc.

Unless career WHMs see the removal of an exclusive MND bonus as a nerf that would threaten their party slot (?) I see no reason to not update this.

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Originally Posted by Kerrigen

This has been a recurring conversation for as long as Heavensward has been out and the best balanced solution would indeed be to give MND bonus for one healer and PIE bonus for 2 healers, regardless of party composition. It's simple and elegant.

They don't even need to get rid of PIE this way, no harm done to BLMs, best of both worlds, future-proof etc.

Unless career WHMs see the removal of an exclusive MND bonus as a nerf that would threaten their party slot (?) I see no reason to not update this.

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I agree. I see a change to give the bonus based on the number of a healers a way to future-proof the game from a balancing stand point.

A change like this would be no different from when they homogenized WHM protect. There will be some grumbling initially but most players will realize it's better to do this to prevent imbalance down the line.

MND bonus please. Not much more to elaborate on.

Other than the idea of first healer giving MND, the second PIE is good.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

A change like this would be no different from when they homogenized WHM protect. There will be some grumbling initially but most players will realize it's better to do this to prevent imbalance down the line.

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Well, it's not like they haven't done something similar in the past. Remember when Summoners used to provide piety and their party benefit was changed to int? This was generally accepted by their caster spot competitors. I predict there'll be an overabundance of salt if SE does decide to change it.