Rank Removed, PvP is Less Interesting Now

In the latest patch, removing ranks from gears was the worst thing the team did. You're giving priority for those who want to try PvP (and might stop within a week or two) more than those of us who farmed for these gears.

There's literally no point of being rank 50 anymore except for the skills (not saying they're not important, but there should be so much more for a maxed rank)

The PvP gears were a big reward we worked for. Just the same way raid gears looked like something players worked hard to get.

PvP now is much less interesting for me. You might have did this for more players to join but you're losing the hardcore PvPers.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

Hmm... might get few sets for retainers now.

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Makes me sad

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Originally Posted by LordHadi

You might have did this for more players to join but you're losing the hardcore PvPers.

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Not necessarily disagreeing with your gear point, however, I think most true hardcore PvPers aren't interested as much in the rank-less gear decision and will not be leaving PvP. If anything, the real hardcore PvPers are more about the competition and are impatiently waiting for the Feast.

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Originally Posted by nickx

Not necessarily disagreeing with your gear point, however, I think most true hardcore PvPers aren't interested as much in the rank-less gear decision and will not be leaving PvP. If anything, the real hardcore PvPers are more about the competition and are impatiently waiting for the Feast.

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This is true, however you're not seeing competition the same way hardcore PvP'ers do. The removal of ranks is actually a bad sign for the future competition in PvP.

A lot of hardcore PvP'ers advocate for the re-establishment of Morale in PvP (at the very least in the upcoming ranked game modes) to encourage more competition. Further, given that SE has openly been pushing an E-sports agenda with Feast, raked rewards for gear, customization, and stat/skill allocation would make a HUGE difference in pre-made competitive teams, especially in tournaments (which SE has said, in an interview, that they are planning as a future goal if Feast is successful). All of these little things seems small, but real competitors would actually go the extra mile to make sure they are optimizing their load-outs.

The development of Feast, the way the game mode is set up, and the establishment of leagues and seasonal rankings, are a big leap forward in showing the community that they are taking a vested interest in making a viable, competitive, PvP environment. Removing ranks from PvP, on the other hand, is a huge leap backwards, and makes its seem like SE doesn't actually care about fostering a competitive PvP following, because there is nothing competitive about watering down the playing field and taking away long term goals from the players.

perhaps they want people to start as close as possible gear wise atleast for beginning of the feast.. how about instead of being all doom n gloom actually wait to see whats released/planned for the future b4 complaining perhaps??

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

perhaps they want people to start as close as possible gear wise atleast for beginning of the feast.. how about instead of being all doom n gloom actually wait to see whats released/planned for the future b4 complaining perhaps??

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We already do know where SE is going with this. They have openly told us what they are doing, in detail.

Feast is going to be implemented in 2 weeks. Ranked and un-ranked modes were announced. Pre-season and season start and finish dates have been announced. Hot fixes are to follow the pre-season. When the actual season starts, league rankings will be implemented. Rankings reset every official season. SE's announced that their stretch goal is to implement a "spectator mode" with the intention of preparing for official tournaments (assuming the community shows an adequate interest). This is all very E-Sports, and the competition is being geared up to be very strong, especially because the Diamond league gives out top player rewards (including gear that will be unavailable to lower ranked players). These are all things that SE has publicly announced in various live streams, live letters, and interviews (some of them straight from Yoshi-P's mouth).

The fact that we know all this means that not all of this is "doom and gloom." Diamond ranked exclusive gear is definitely a plus, and official tournaments would be HUGE. They've also said they're looking into a dueling system, which we've been asking for, for a very long time now. All in all, the future of PvP in FFXIV is actually looking pretty bright for a change (it only took us two years of complaining to get some positive results). However, that doesn't mean that rank removal for gear, the continued disregard for Morale, or the giant kick in the nuts they just gave to the dedicated PvP'ers who actually grinded for those ranks, are not bad things. By and large, they are.

Given that they have been pushing for a more competitive PvP environment with the implementation of Feast, it is kind of weird that they took the ranks out. It makes sense to provide at least some unraked gear to entice the casual players into the mode, but to completely remove rank restrictions entirely is asinine. It just gives players less reason to actually rank up, which makes them less competitive from a technical (Ap points) and practical standpoint. It doesn't seem very compatible with their announced agenda. Fortunately, the Diamond rank gear should make up for this and give seasoned PvP'ers something to actively strive for.

Is it a really big deal removing the rank lock on the gear? you still need higher ranks for skills... and comparing PvP to raids? Wasnt everyone crying because the gear is useless and we dont need it ... blah blah blah... You do realise its because of all you "seasoned PvP" people that SE removed the morale... you guys would team up in full morale sets and destroy any new people who joined pvp... that drove more people away from it...
now because everyone can have it, its the end of PvP? You know people still have to do PvP for the seals to get the gear... which means you rank up... which means you get better PvP skills... They never removed the purpose of ranking, they just evened the playing field gear wise...

Try giving it a couple weeks before looking at it as if someone just peed in your coffee cup, then forced you to drink it. we only had 3.2 for 1 day...

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Originally Posted by Victoria_Silverdawn

Is it a really big deal removing the rank lock on the gear? you still need higher ranks for skills...
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I would trade having all the skill points available from the start to keep ranks on the gear to be quite honest. I mean the points are just so... whatever really. I find much more appeal working towards new gear rather than getting a few more points to allocate.

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Originally Posted by Victoria_Silverdawn

You know people still have to do PvP for the seals to get the gear... which means you rank up... which means you get better PvP skills... They never removed the purpose of ranking, they just evened the playing field gear wise...

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Evened playing field gear wise? LOL. Items are synched FYI


And please don't make it sound like it take ages to collect "Wolf Marks"

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Originally Posted by Mutemutt

I would trade having all the skill points available from the start to keep ranks on the gear to be quite honest. I mean the points are just so... whatever really. I find much more appeal working towards new gear rather than getting a few more points to allocate.

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^ This

Is there no rank on the new 205 pvp gear? o.O
I thought they only removed it for the old one..?

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Originally Posted by Atoli

Is there no rank on the new 205 pvp gear? o.O
I thought they only removed it for the old one..?

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No lol, not even on the 205 one