Dear Dragoons. Your AoE is actually good.

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Isnt Geirskogul used as an aoe skill (it hits in a cone in front of you)?? Why is that not factored?

It's 60 TP every 3 seconds, not after every skill. Over the course of 30 seconds, going all out with AoE, you'd go through 1660 TP, which is 60 higher than you'd get back from natural TP regeneration.

Should still be AoEing, but going balls to the wall AoE every pull isn't a good idea or efficient. More TP conservative AoE is better than spending a decent time during a pull auto-attacking.

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Originally Posted by Phileas

Isnt Geirskogul used as an aoe skill (it hits in a cone in front of you)?? Why is that not factored?

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You could max use it once or do your single traget rotation to keep Dragon's Blood(?) up

Valiant effort here, but the problem with dragoon aoe is by the time you blow your tp on DS/RoT you've only done like 30% damage to the mobs hp. At level 60 the moves just don't do as much relative damage as they did at level 50. You need to be able to attack longer than your tp will sustain for aoe most of the time.

On 3-4 mobs multi-dotting CT combo and getting 4 GK per min is around the same dps and a heck of a lot less consuming on TP.

Just doing some rough napkin math, raw potency not accounting for buffs

HT-RoT - 95 tp/gcd - (1) 160/gcd (2) 235/gcd (3) 310/gcd (4) 385/gcd (5) 460/gcd (6) 535/gcd
RoT spam - 120 tp/gcd - (1) 100/gcd (2) 200/gcd (3) 300/gcd (4) 400/gcd (5) 500/gcd (6) 600/gcd
DS Spam - 160 tp/gcd - (1) 160/gcd (2) 320/gcd (3) 480/gcd (4) 640/gcd (5) 800/gcd (6) 960/gcd

IDC4+GK - 63 tp/gcd - (1) 275/gcd (2) 316/gcd (3) 357/gcd (4) 389/gcd (5) 421/gcd (6) 453/gcd

(180+220+250+290+(35 dot * # of enemies up to 3)+32 pot for GK per enemy (200 pot * 4 per min = 800 pot / 25 gcds = 32 pot/gcd at 2.4 sec gcd)

Something like that anyways.

Also, I am trying to be careful with the math, but feel free to correct me.

DRG aoe IS good. 4+ targets I can sustain 2100-2200 dps easily. 8+ targets and we talking like 3500-3800.

The only downside (other than TP) is that your party will think its the crappy BLM doing all that damage <.<

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Originally Posted by DE-Roxas

@whiskeybravo You should be over 30% before running out of TP or you done something wrong :D And think about it, if you got 6 Enemys and they all drop to lets say 50% - you should reach that with blood for blood etc. you basically did based on the enemy number 50% on every enemy. Somnetimes thats more worth than killing of one. Or sometimes it isnt. If your other DD does 50% aoe too, then all should be down :D

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You are talking about a bunch of hypotheticals that don't match what I've experienced in dungeons with dragoon. Dragoon aoe is good for about 30 sec and then you're spent. Single target rotation is not that far behind, depending on the pull, and can be sustained twice as long.

I'm not trying to argue that you're wrong or anything, I mean the numbers speak for themselves, DS spam is more potency than a single target rotation, sure. You just can't sustain this on back to back pulls, and can hardly sustain it on one pull. It should be considered for burst when you have all buffs up on a bigger pull. In my experience it just doesn't put a big enough dent in their HP to justify aoe on every pull. And as you pointed out, you need a good tank that can position things properly and you need another decent dps to contribute. If the other dps isn't all there you're just going to be out of tp waiting forever for things to die.

Sounds like you had an OP smn :P

It depends. But I rarely run dungeons on drg anymore, I find monk aoe more effective and able to be sustained longer so I've been running dungeons on it while I use drg mainly for raiding. I consistently do more damage and even have even had ppl tell me it's rare to see monks that actually know how to aoe xD But that's another topic entirely.

I've been drg for a long long time, but it was easy to see early on in HW that DS spam was no longer as effective as it used to be. You can say it's good, but I don't see that DS on 3 enemies as being an effective way to deal damage on drg. AoE is for 5 or 6 enemies or more, otherwise splash damage from GK/DFD coupled with strong ST rotation is going to take them down at least as fast with a lot less resource consumption. If you have a totally OP party then go for it, but anytime you get one of the dps barely doing lv50 damage it's gonna be a very long pull. Compared to smn or monk where their aoe can carry that lv50 dps almost entirely, not gonna happen with drg.

The only comparison I was trying to make is that drg aoe isn't going to carry a weak dps like monk or smn aoe can, not because it's physically weaker but because it can't be sustained. You say it's good, I say it's only good in specific circumstances. We are just going to have to agree to disagree lol