Anima Relic. My rantish thoughts (And how I would change it)

SE really is asking abit much for this relic in my opinion and here's why:

Step 1) perfectly fine

Step 2)pretty fun, I did all 10 via DF. Wasn't that bad

Step 3) okay... Did you add a extra 0 somewhere SE?

Current need: 20 of 4 UI, and 16 HQ spec crafts.

The options to get UIs: Alexander,tomes,maps,hunts,beast tribes

So looks like a lot of choices right? Not really because for new players/people who didn't do beast tribes on the side don't get that choice. Maps if you can't get them yourself can get pricey. Tomes: law it's okay it's easily gained. Poetics is not something a lot of people have in mass and gain fast. So the main ways for those people are Alexander,Map,Law tomes. At a pace of 2-3 UIs we'll finish in about a month or so. (If a person can spend that much time a day grinding,which is unlikely)That's not too bad for a weapon for most of us isn't good compared to alternatives (so get the other alts you say) and that's a fair point we could do that. But is "that content isn't good for you? Don't do it then" is bad answer. Should content being ignored because it isn't fun? We pay $13 dollars a month to pay the devs for server costs and fund new content for the game. All those who say don't do it, your basically saying support content you don't want in the game.

Now enough ranting this is how I would change the relic step 3.
Half the amount of UIs needed. Make it 10 per UI instead of 20. Alex runs. Make it 5 pieces a UI. that's 50 runs for a floor. Far more manageable/mental sanity saving

Crafted items. Reduce it to two or remove the spec on the recipes.


Also: we've got 5-6 weeks before 3.2 drops with the next upgrade around then. So all this work for a subpar weapon for most for 2 weeks is abit crazy. Atleast with A4S you know your getting a good weapon *looks at Dark knight sword with parry* for the most part...

I don't think that this content would have as much of a backlash if it was released around savage, back when people still needed the mind numbing unenjoyable fights of NM.

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Originally Posted by Omni-Vocational_Ryan

Also: we've got 5-6 weeks before 3.2 drops with the next upgrade around then. So all this work for a subpar weapon for most for 2 weeks is abit crazy.

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This is the main point for me. All arguments for or against the stupidity of adding crafting into the Relic Quest aside, unless you live and breath this game, share an account with someone who works an off schedule with you (which I'm pretty sure is against the terms of use), or have an alternate that can fill the spot of the third specialist requirement to do the quest, you are extremely unlikely to finish this quest before the next patch. This weapon will be outdated before (or shortly after) anyone gets it, and that's just asinine.

We're basically reliving what was widely considered to be the biggest flaw in the original Relic Quest. The grind was not worth the reward in the early stages. By the time people had their relic's updated, they were already sporting new Extreme Primal/Raid/Tomestone weapons that were equal or better than the Relic they put all that time into. This is the whole reason why custom stats and easier light farming were such a tremendous relief and met with much greater acceptance. Yet, despite this history, we're back here again repeating the same mistakes (cuz' apparently you have to make mistakes several times to learn from them).

And for anyone who say's it's "optional" content. No. It's not. At the moment, it's the only content. SE didn't release any new dungeons, raids, or trials with 3.15. There's literally nothing else to do. Once there is new content, then this will be optional and I imagine most of us will just give up on it because we'll be sporting new weapons from new content anyway. This is especially the case for those jobs which got shafted on secondary stats with the new Relic. I'm sorry, but for the grind they are asking for there is no excuse that the stat allocation on the Relic weapon should be worse than the Antiquated weapons, even at the same level. That's garbage.

That's right we got the relic quest maybe a little too late.
if we got it earlier, even it's long to grind, you get it and still of use for current content, but when you get it late like this one, we should get a shorter grind , like you said we should get it a use for it before 3.2.
It's like a thereshold for 210 weapon at the end of 3.15 there will be few Savage and relic weapon... but 210 weapon have only one use : help you to beat savage if you don't already beat it got one and get lucky enough to got one in A4S.
If it's not the purpose of the relic, it's like a trophy.
atm by getting the long relic quest so late, it's like a way to get a 210 weapon you can use if you get in urge to get it and farm like a crazy, or just a trophy.
I think it's ok to grind to get something, but i don't get why we get shorter in time to farm to get something usefull.
It's not only the relic but all the game because more grindy since 3.0 Doh and Dol grind for exemple.
There certainly a limit to not get the game overgrindy XD

My problem is with all craft items being Special craft items. Bit of grind I don't mind as much, comes with these sort of things. But that makes it impossible for me to make the craft items. It's a slap on the face for those who level crafts to still make it impossible.

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Originally Posted by Omni-Vocational_Ryan

Should content being ignored because it isn't fun? We pay $13 dollars a month to pay the devs for server costs and fund new content for the game. All those who say don't do it, your basically saying support content you don't want in the game.

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I don't agree with this. You have your gripes, and that is fine, but that statement I don't agree with. People play this game for many reasons, and the same "If you don't like it, don't do it" is said for many things, gathering and crafting come to mind. But for others, that is something they enjoy doing. Suffice it to say, I don't like the grind, but as it stands right now, I have nothing better to do with my in-game time, and this is a very valid time sink. Is the quest chain bad? Yes and No. No, because its does what it needs to do, kill my time. Yes, because its un-interesting and the same re-hash of things seen already, and nothing new.

I'm pretty surprised with how terrible stage 3 of this relic is. ARR's nexus phase requiring 4 Bombard Cores, 4 Spring Waters, 4 "100k" gil items, several HQ crafted items, and a bunch of RNG-based dungeon items didn't even feel this bad to me. Atleast those felt like they could be worked on at a reasonable pace. This is just... awful.

I got all 16 crystals since I didn't want to turn in my Zeta (I earned that crap, not giving it away that easily), and now I'm 6/10 through the dungeon phase. These parts haven't been an issue and I've actually enjoyed them, aside from the RNG crystals being a pain at times. I kept hearing terrible stories about the item requirements for Phase 3, so I knew I had to look it up, and jeez.

This is just gross, the worst kind of OCD sort of quest. I honestly think that the development team should feel a bit ashamed for this. I'll work at this gradually, but I honestly have no hope that I'll get it within the next 6 months if things stay this way. I understand that the relic weapons should feel like they're an achievement- they always have felt that way though. Now we're just getting into the sort of territory where you have to practically live inside the game to complete them, and I can't condone that sort of setup.

The only people who are happy about the crafted items are the crafters who can rob people blind.

This quest should have come out at the same time that Savage came out, back in July. At least then people would be able to enjoy their relics for some months before they get outdone by new tome/primal weapons.

One of the things that gets me the most about it is that you need max rank with the beast tribes. There's literally NO reason for that, why not incentivize leveling them by allowing any rank to get the tokens? Terrible design all around.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

This quest should have come out at the same time that Savage came out, back in July. At least then people would be able to enjoy their relics for some months before they get outdone by new tome/primal weapons.

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I wonder if SE delayed the relic quest because it originally involved diadem grinding, and didn't expect players to grind it into the ground so quickly.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

This quest should have come out at the same time that Savage came out, back in July.

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July would have been to early. Can't let people have 210 shit to quick. 3.1 should have been when it dropped, but it didn't make it for w/e reason/

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

The only people who are happy about the crafted items are the crafters who can rob people blind.

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I'm sure prices are different from server to server, but I notice were on the same server. At the current going rate of items, you could get all 16 of them for just a smidge over 2mil. If you can't come up with that kind of cash, be it through spiritbonding, roullettes, or retainer ventures, or w/e else, then I don't know what to say. I'm a part-time crafter, and can only make easy stuff, but I can at least make money when I need to. People just aren't trying hard enough.