All i ask for ninja is 1 thing Square Enix pls!

Pls! Pls! let us weave attacks between mudras! We get 5sec to cast the next mudra, let us put that timer to use! it would also help us peeps with mudra lag. pls consider this.
Thank You ^_^

this is a bad idea because mudra cooldown currently does not start until you have used your ninjutsu.

lets say you use ten, spinning slash, chi, gust slash, jin, aeolian edge, ninjutsu. this leaves you delaying the use of your ninjutsu and effectively prolonging your cooldown, and by extension, decreasing your dps by a good bit.

if youre really having that many problems with mudra, you should just use Fuma Shuriken instead of raiton

^ this. It would be a pretty big DPS loss to delay your mudra cooldown by that much.

I think it would be better, if you can redo the inputs if you mess up instead of getting that fail rabbit.

It wouldn't be a DPS loss, geez, what the hell :/

If you can Raiton like the game is working right now without clipping then you can Raiton if the game were to work like the OP is suggesting the same way...
It would accomodate better for things like Suiton, Doton or Huton (if lost).

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i see where youre coming from, but it would still be a dps loss, if you can raiton without clipping at the current point in the game, then there is really no need for this change tor you. suiton is SUPPOSED to clip our gcd though. in fact, if it didnt clip, ninja would be facing even MORE tp issues than they already have to suffer through. mudra needs tweaks but this isnt the tweak it needs. the only scenario i can see this being useful

spinning slash, ten, chi, gust slash, raiton, aoelian edge
this would solve the problem of people with higher latency and create more tp issues for people with low latency, a long with increasing the cooldown of mudra by a few seconds, which is ultimately dps loss

So then mudras not being interrupted by GCDs or other actions and another TP fix idea can't exist together?

This would only be a dps increase if your Ninjutsu CD started cooling down before actually being 'used'. Otherwise the 10-21% Ninjutsu frequency loss in by delaying its release over 2 to 4.3 seconds will already mostly counter the benefits of reducing GCD loss to clipping by roughly 3-7% (depending especially on how that times out against buffs, debuffs, and CDs).

Personally I like that they have to be done in series; I just hate when I cast Suiton, see the animation despite that it never actually 'went off', follow with my next attack, and bunny it. I'd rather that actions cannot bunny mudras, but rather simply set it (so if you lag-clip your 2nd mudra with a following action it merely becomes Fuma Shuriken, not a bunny) and that Ninjutsu damage bonuses are based on when the mudra was set/completed (or else it'd always be preferable to pop IR/BFB just before releasing Raiton whereas our playstyle until then has always had us popping CDs prior to mudra use). At that point the changes would be QoL except that we can ready a Ninjutsu slightly early, allowing us later oGCD space for the next 5 seconds (actually holding it for a coming add would still be a dps loss, as Ninjutsu is not cooling down during that time, but at least accidentally popping it early wouldn't leave us standing there like any idiot until the add pops so we can Raiton it).

It would be less of a dps loss for some people because you can then weave Suiton while still keeping up your GCD rotation. For someone like me, who's latency makes it so that it takes anywhere between 3-5 seconds to cast a 3-step mudra (clipping onto 1.5-2.5 GCDs), being able to weave GCDs/oGCDs would be a boon.

I don't think Suiton is supposed to clip our GCDs either. Technically it should only be a 1.5s (perfect, would like to say impossible) to 2s (expected) mudra as the cooldown between each hand sign is 0.5s, and most NINs I know are sitting on around 2 seconds CD for their GCD.

Besides it being inefficient, I feel like it would take away from the flavor of the class if you could use mudras while using other GCD/oGCD skills.