NIN or BLM?

Evening all,

I'm a bard main, and i got AST to endgame, but recent events reminded my why i despise healing.

So I need a new alt to compliment my bard, and i've narrowed it down to BLM or NIN. I was looking for feedback from people who have hit endgame with them.

The way I currently see the two is like this:

BLM:
Pros:
- High DPS
- Fun

Cons:
- Everyone complains about enochian (but everyone complains about minuet, too, which is nothing to complain about)
- I would have two ranged, cast-time DPS (although one is more mobile and support-ish)

NIN:
Pros:
- Fun and fast-paced
- Already own half the gear
- One ranged dps and one melee dps provides variety

Cons:
-Everyone complains about mudra lag, low dps, running out of TP
-Rotation seems complicated and not in a good way

Which would you suggest?

nin rotation isn't complicated once you get used to mudra combinations, the only downside of nin atm is its TP, mudra lag and weak AoE.

I switched to nin from BRD since our old nin wanted to play MCH.

my main complaint is mudras for sure, AC doesnt fix the issue like it was suppose to, sometimes even fuma cuts into the gcd but I play with a 100+ ping so you might fair better depending on your location.

Even though nins tp isn't amazing because of high skillspeed on gear / huton, I still rarely find myself running out. Almost all end game fights have constant breaks where you can regain tp so it's not as much of an issue as people will have you believe. Use invig at proper times, don't spam blossom when no breaks coming. It's honestly not that big of a deal, I play daily

mudra lag is actually an input window, where it checks your latency before the mudra input fires off, if you have bad ms it could give you the odd problem, you learn to deal with this from experience and having an above average ms. Again, it is not as large of a problem as people would have you believe, I rarely mess up a mudra and when I do I know it was my fault and it could have been prevented, it's a dummy check mechanic nothing more.

Nin isn't perfect but it's far from as bad as some of the crybabies say.
My only problem with nin is dancing edge debuff needs to last longer so we can use aeolian edge more often.

I'm a 191 nin and these are my experiences, good luck.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

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TP is definitely an issue in A2 and A3 savage, A2 savage is a 10m fight with no downtime and A3 savage last phase is a 7m burn.

Was I talking about savage? no I wasn't, I was giving general advise, not everyone is doing a3 savage but thanks for coming by...

and that problem is easily fixed by having 2 nins goad eachother instead of just 1 nin, and I'm pretty sure you already knew that but felt like posting anyways.

Other than crafting relentlessly, I main BLM. The damage is obviously there and fun too! Enochian is not that bad once you understand how to maintain it. Still, many BLMs dont grasp the concept of actually planning ahead and putting ones self in a position to maintain the buff. It is possible to keep it up nearly 100% of the time if paying attention, and the throughput utilizing it is amazing. Definitely worth checking out.

Don't know why people are making Nin's TP problem such a big deal... Sure, it's not the best (isn't it down to a lot of SS on NIN gear though?), but that's why you have a BRD/MCH in your group.

No melee job have been able to last for more than around 4 mins in 2.X, and now in 3.0, the only difference is that MNK have purification to gain some extra TP. It's not like DRG can last ages either.

In A2, it's perfect to have a NIN in the gobwalker anyways, because they have the weakest AoE of all jobs, and run out of TP too fast like you said.

NIN should have something to gain a little TP during fight, but I don't know why people suddenly expect BRD/MCH to never use TP regen anymore.

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Originally Posted by Geardagas

Evening all,

I'm a bard main, and i got AST to endgame, but recent events reminded my why i despise healing.

So I need a new alt to compliment my bard, and i've narrowed it down to BLM or NIN. I was looking for feedback from people who have hit endgame with them.

The way I currently see the two is like this:

BLM:
Pros:
- High DPS
- Fun

Cons:
- Everyone complains about enochian (but everyone complains about minuet, too, which is nothing to complain about)
- I would have two ranged, cast-time DPS (although one is more mobile and support-ish)

NIN:
Pros:
- Fun and fast-paced
- Already own half the gear
- One ranged dps and one melee dps provides variety

Cons:
-Everyone complains about mudra lag, low dps, running out of TP
-Rotation seems complicated and not in a good way

Which would you suggest?

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More on topic though...

I don't have a lot of knowledge about BLM now in 3.0, but it is most certainly a lot harder to master than in 2.X. You have to be able to plan ahead better than ever before, and you have little margin for error. There are nothing "wrong" with BLM though, because some of the best groups in the world have used them to clear the hardest and most demanding fights.

As for NIN, the only thing you really need to worry about is mudra lag... If you have a NIN with all mudras already, then just try out using them as fast as possible, and determine if you can use 3 or them for example, within a short period of time. I would suggest trying during peak hours, because it would suck if you get higher ping during that time, and suffer.

NIN has too low DPS compared to DRG, but that's the only one that is far ahead right now, and DRG is far ahead of every job. Don't worry about it, cause NIN have very good DPS anyways.

The rotation for NIN is pretty simple once you get used to it. It takes longer getting used to than BLM maybe, but it's easier to master NIN than BLM.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

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Ridiculous reply. If you want to see how viable something is, you look at the realistic potential you have. If you want to look at it that way you can take any balance discussion and say "not everyone does savage". Let's face it, outside of current top content, slightly less dps, a little bit of lag or TP starvation is less important. Add that to the fact that most non savage content lasts for 3 minutes and gives no time to actually run out of TP in the first place. Bringing 2 ninjas is not a viable option where TP actually does matter, and I'm pretty sure you already knew that.

To the OP, nin is good enough for whatever you want to do. Player matters more than job in practice. Get used to the rotation and the mudra lag and you will be fine. As for ranged dps, we have little to none. Mudras are nice, but outside of that you will run dry on tp quickly.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I just got on during peak hours and went to idyll shire and banged out some mudras.

In ten tries, I landed between 2.45 and 2.5 seconds from the first mudra to the huton cast. I'm assuming this is a bit tight. There seems to be an odd delay between when the next mudra is ready and when the mudra animation starts. When I tried to ignore that delay and speed it up, I rabbited all over the place.

BLM it is, I guess.