i got it how to fix AST!!!!

i see alot of players complaining about ast healing and lack of cooldown and that we too similar to WHM/SCH,,,,,,, so guess what

why not turn us into pure HOT healer

This make sense because of these reasons
1) give us time to make decisions with cards
2) allow us to dps when needed
3) give us cooldown that is unique
4) give us our own identity without being a copy of WHM/SCH
5) star/card/time magic all fits perfect with this

for example we could have 4 hots 2 powerful cooldown and play the part of a support healer whilst workin our card magic at the same time

With hots u will need only 2 cooldowns
1) rapid healing cooldown
2) Burst healing cooldown that removes hots

THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE WOULD NEED ADJUSTMENTS AND REWORK

to me in this game if we go buy other games
WHM = Priest
SCH = Paladin with pet
AST = Druid/ shaman (with celestial magic)

With this alone we will have a healer that favour DET and spell speed (require trait to effect hots) to increase our healing throughput, this increase our AoE healing and single target healing quite abit not to mention free up space to add additional cooldowns to help with the party, but do i in away that we do not replace scholar or whm to me this what healers r today

WHM = High damage healer /dps
Sch = Mitigation healer / dps
Ast = Sch/Whm copy / dps

with this u can have these set ups

WHM/ AST = Power heals / Hots / Dots
whm can do rawr healing whilst ast is focus on cards making sure hots and dots are up

SCH / AST = Shield / Hots / Dots
sch can shield and mitigate damage and let our hots heal people back up whilst both focus on maintaining dots

Ast / Ast = Hots / Dots
both Ast focus on hots and dots and use cool down to keep group alive

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Originally Posted by Yhisa

WHM = Priest
SCH = Paladin with pet
AST = Druid/ shaman (with celestial magic)

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This doesn't seem very accurate. SCH isn't the equivalent of paladin from WoW. If anything its a Disc Priest. It's not really fair to compare the healing styles from WoW and FFXIV because both are very different.

Also AST is already hot heavy in dirunal stance. There are some broken skills (aka anything in nocturnal stance) that need addressing but I don't think your post really addresses those (or doesn't really bring anything new and exciting that hasn't be rehashed 100x times on the other thread).

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Originally Posted by Yhisa

WHM = Priest
SCH = Paladin with pet
AST = Druid/ shaman (with celestial magic)

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No. If anything, Scholar would be a Disc priest as mentioned above. WHM is more similar to a Shaman tbqh (though Holy Priest works too).
All semantics though- on the topic of your idea, it sucks.
That would mean a complete and total overhaul of Astro and that would take a lot of development time. They don't NEED an overhaul, they are fairly capable already- there ARE people clearing the savage content using an AST so we know they are capable there. If ANYTHING they just need a few tiny tweaks, particularly in the Nocturnal Sect, and they will be more than viable.

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Originally Posted by Alexia89

...That would mean a complete and total overhaul of Astro and that would take a lot of development time.

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Pretty much this. They can "fix" it without redesigning all the spells, plus it would take way too long. 24 man raid is also around the corner so they certainly don't have much time, especially since esoteric gear is bound to specific classes. The sooner they apply the tweaks, the better.

If you play WHM correctly you're already a pretty HoT oriented healer. Regen is your absolute bread & butter spell, more-so than even basic Cure. Then you have Medica II. And finally, there's also Asylum.

Sure, we're not like a Druid in WoW (which is/was primarily a HoT based healing class, at least last time I've played), but a very large part of our standard healing is already done over time.

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Originally Posted by Alexia89

a Shaman tbqh (though Holy Priest works too).

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WHM is more Holy Priest cause of the raw healing power both have, and also powerful holy spells.

AST is more like Shaman cause unlike the other two cause they can buff others, like Shamans can with their totems.

And SCH is like Disc. Priest cause they both are barrier healers with smart healing. What's smart healing? It's automatic heals. The smart in the phrase is that it prioritizes whomever was the most injured, and in the fairies, case they do this too, even if it's themselves. It's just that both has different methods for smart healing, where the Disc. Priest have to attack with holy magic to smart heal, the Scholar has a fairy.



Anyways to the OP. No that HoT healing thing is a terrible idea, and you don't need to think EXTRA hard on when to use a card. They are the supporter healer. They cover which ever healer isn't there when dual healing, and have the cards to buff everyone to greater offensive extents than Selene ever could, while providing excellent support with the other cards. I am getting sick of seeing ASTs blaming anything but their inability to even decently manage their MP. I'll be lucky if I see someone other than myself make it out of a fight above 66% with everyone topped off and well.

To be a pure hot healer, like a druid in WoW, you need ALOOOOT of hots to stack. ALOT.

As memory serves....you could have all of these ticking on the tank/group at the same time with some work- two rejuvs if talented, efflo, lifebloom, regrowth, wild growth, genesis, cenarion ward if talented, tranquility. And instant/near instant casts for most of those abilities, plus at least one instant single target burst heal. And a tank cd that reduced damage taken and increase hots received. We.....will probably never see that in this game. (druid was my fave healer in WoW too....)

Though shaman may not be far off..... the defining shaman heal in chain heal isn't around (though I think a constellation heal would have been very cool for ast) but Diurnal ast has riptide in aspect benefic and ast/whm have healing rain in asylum/kinda CU. I kind of equivocate the sch's fairy to sham totems. Synastry is paladin's beacon of light (but doesn't transfer secondary effects....like paladin mastery shields) The whm is very holy-priest with big heals and some hots (asylum=sanctuary, medica2 is poh w/mastery, regen=renew). I wouldn't go so far as to say sch is like disc though since disc had a lot of shields with no healing component attached, really is a bit more akin to paladin to me with smaller constant shields+heals.

I guess my point was that the healers in this game are more like bits and pieces from different wow healers, like sch kind of being a combo shaman/paladin/disc priest. Some other WoW style things, like disc/monk healing by doing damage or a shaman's chain heal, may make it into the game one day. I don't think it will be in changing ast though, probably a brand new class somewhere down the line. The heal-by-damage may be a good idea for a red mage or a dancer.

I would personally change 3 things about AST, based on what I've been hearing and what some AST friends of mine have been describing.

1) Swap the 5% bonuses from Nocturnal and Diurnal Sect so that Nocturnal is 5% faster and Diurnal is 5% stronger.

2) Change Nocturnal so that the Aspected spells each apply a Healing Received buff, around 5-7% each, and allow the two to stack together.

3) Allow stancedancing between Diurnal and Nocturnal.

This would make AST be more of a support-focused healer, chaining their heal buffs with their regens to allow for the pair of healers to have even more DPS'ing time, and would further differentiate AST from the other two healers. Ideally this would make WHM/AST as powerful as WHM/SCH, along with SCH/AST, making it so that all the healer combos are about equal, while still being different from each other.

the 5-7% buff for each tank would in essence make the astro a required healer for certain encounters. Would not really make the cut. Turning one of our cooldowns into a buff that lets us stance dance temporarily in combat would fix all issues but ben 2 buff and shuffle pulling same card twice. Other then that we are practically on par with white mage for healing and stance dancing noc would allow us for emergency healing from a instant cast 500 potency heal+shield.

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Originally Posted by Leidiriv

I would personally change 3 things about AST, based on what I've been hearing and what some AST friends of mine have been describing.

1) Swap the 5% bonuses from Nocturnal and Diurnal Sect so that Nocturnal is 5% faster and Diurnal is 5% stronger.

2) Change Nocturnal so that the Aspected spells each apply a Healing Received buff, around 5-7% each, and allow the two to stack together.

3) Allow stancedancing between Diurnal and Nocturnal.

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1) that would break Noctural. Your Main barrier is already instant cast, and more efficient than stoneskin. Barriers need power not speed. And while in cleric, your barriers are made even more useless.

2) That would be OP.

3) What's the point? Your things do not stack, so stance dancing will screw healers along with the AST themselves. Also, TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!