Every Tank should have dps/tank stance be off-GCD and not reset their combo

There isn't a single good reason not to.

This isn't singling out warriors - they have it the way every tank should. It should be seamless, to promote tank dps strategies, instead of a painful GCD and combo wipe.

Even healers have their dps stance offGCD.

Warriors even get to keep their abandon/wrath stacks.

It isn't their "niche" it is something all tanks do now and should be able to benefit from.

This would make PLD a lot more likable , it'll actually add another dynamic to our game play

That would be nice. Trying to stance dance as DRK is a pain in the ass.

There is actually a reason why Shield Oath/Grit is on the GCD while Defiance is not. Defiance merely increases your maximum HP, but doesn't heal you to top yourself off, whereas using Shield Oath immediately gives you 20% mitigation. If you're at 10k life, going into defiance won't help you against a 10k ability unless you get healed up. If shield oath is off GCD, you pretty much have an on demand rampart.

Putting Oath stances and Grit off the GCD are too powerful as it highly minimizes the risk of going into dps stances.

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Originally Posted by stoxastic

There is actually a reason why Shield Oath/Grit is on the GCD while Defiance is not. Defiance merely increases your maximum HP, but doesn't heal you to top yourself off, whereas using Shield Oath immediately gives you 20% mitigation. If you're at 10k life, going into defiance won't help you against a 10k ability unless you get healed up. If shield oath is off GCD, you pretty much have an on demand rampart.

Putting Oath stances and Grit off the GCD are too powerful as it highly minimizes the risk of going into dps stances.

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Invalid argument. You can keep your stacks and use Inner beast to get the same effect as soon as the stance switch happen.

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Originally Posted by stoxastic

There is actually a reason why Shield Oath/Grit is on the GCD while Defiance is not. Defiance merely increases your maximum HP, but doesn't heal you to top yourself off, whereas using Shield Oath immediately gives you 20% mitigation. If you're at 10k life, going into defiance won't help you against a 10k ability unless you get healed up. If shield oath is off GCD, you pretty much have an on demand rampart.

Putting Oath stances and Grit off the GCD are too powerful as it highly minimizes the risk of going into dps stances.

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says the war with 2 stances and can transfer your stacks between the 2. WAR use dps stance get full stacks oh gota pull hate I'm low on hp switch to tank stance still have full stacks inner beast I get hp bk. Use blood bath.

You lost your argument to have the only tank stance off gcd when you got your dps stance and can transfer your stacks between the 2.

And besides there's another reason as to why PLD and DRK should not have their stances on the GCD.

WE NEED TO USE MP WARS DONT. SO no its not something we can just use as a big hit is in coming.

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Originally Posted by stoxastic

There is actually a reason why Shield Oath/Grit is on the GCD while Defiance is not. Defiance merely increases your maximum HP, but doesn't heal you to top yourself off, whereas using Shield Oath immediately gives you 20% mitigation. If you're at 10k life, going into defiance won't help you against a 10k ability unless you get healed up. If shield oath is off GCD, you pretty much have an on demand rampart.

Putting Oath stances and Grit off the GCD are too powerful as it highly minimizes the risk of going into dps stances.

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ehh defiance also increases healing and now accuracy. also gives you immediate access to Instant Healing Equilibrium (as opposed to TP) , Defiance Wraith moves etc. You can go into defiance and hit equilibrium and be at full health. The stacks are interchangable .....so if you have 5stacks in Deliverance you have 5 Wraith in Defiance... That is powerful. I swap from defiance to Deliverance and back very often,smoothly

WAR stances are Abilities.

Shield/Sword Oath and Grit are Spells.

The differences start there. Never made sense to me why Shield/Sword Oath were spells. Grit makes sense as one since DRKs are magic tanks (in concept at least).

My humble thought:

Shield/Sword as *Abilities* oGCD like WAR, but have them disrupt combos (and as Abilities - no MP cost).

Move Grit off GCD, it *doesn't* disrupt combo, but add a casting time to activate it. ;/ just thinking. Makes them all distinguishable to an extent

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

Move Grit off GCD, it *doesn't* disrupt combo, but add a casting time to activate it. ;/ just thinking. Makes them all distinguishable to an extent

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Please go back under your rock little troll. But if your not trolling DRK already has some problems and you want to add to it? Go away.

Grit already costs you 1 Dark Arts just from mana alone, it doesn't need any other drawback.

Pali stance dancing costs 2 GCDs and is generally terrible unless you have a boss disconnect.

There just doesn't seem to be any reason for this however.

I think it would be fantastic if tanks would sword stance between tank busters, that is a -great- way to increase skill cap on tanks and make them more interesting. It also means that it would pay off more for people to learn the fights efficiently.

Warriors get a very nice playstyle where they can hop into defiance and inner beast for mitigation. The argument for immediate mitigation vs increased health isn't really a thing - you get the bonus healing immediately and unless you are going to be oneshot the increased health doesn't really affect anything, so your actual EHP/s is unchanged.

The other big thing is EVERY tank gets GLA as a cross class, which contains Convalescense and Provoke (to a lesser extent Awareness), super useful tanking abilities. MRD gives absolutely nothing useful tankingwise (bloodbath is...I mean it might save your healers 1 GCD. Maybe). And DRK isn't even cross classable.

So again PLD already suffer from being the "token" tank, in that they are missing 3 useful skills that the other tanks have...people don't realize this is the cost of having "desireable" cross class skills...your class just has fewer useful skills.

Anyway that was a tangent. Really this change would just be QoL and increase interactivity and tanking skill cap, and I think it is a fair request. Noone's going to bump WAR off because of it, but it would make the other two tanks much more interesting. The skills should have a cooldown added though, like Defiance/Deliverance.