Could the beast tribes all have been artificially created? [3.0 Spoilers]

In the Fractal Continuum we learn that Ixalion (potential predecessors or the ixal) along with other creatures were created by the Allagans

Additionally, we learn that the Poroggo of Sharlayan were "artificially" created via imbuing animals (or frogs in the case of Poroggos) with consciousness through some form of magic. Not only are they intelligent, they're also capable of magic.

Unlike the Alagans who altered creatures on the genetic level, Sharlayan just mearing do it through magic. As such it seems as if it can easily be taken away as stated by one of the Porogos in Motoyas cave.

Since it's not on agenetic level they might not even be capable of reproducing self conscious frogs. There's still so much we don't know about the civilization predating the Allagans, but there does seem to be a trend of the Spoken races experimenting with life.

Is it too far fetch to think that the Warring Tribes of the 1st Astral/Umbral eras created familiars out of animals to fight for them? Just like how the Warring Triad of FF6 created espers to fight in their war?

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/image...Saro_Roggo.png

It seems the easy go-to, doesn't it? I mean, on one hand, they were really into genetic engineering, and on the other hand, it's always Ascians and Allagans. I do believe there's a Hunt that hints that Rowena extracted information from a tomestone suggesting that the Allagans experimented on contemporary beastmen, implying that they weren't all engineered (I'll see if I can dig that up in an edit).

Perhaps all the ones of today are... or perhaps just some. We really don't know. I thought for sure after Sastasha HM (Octo-Maddison) that "over-tempering" would have played a role in the warping of physiology somewhere, but who even knows if those affected can reproduce.


EDIT Got the quite I was remembering.

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Originally Posted by Hunter-scholar

One of the Allags' favorite pastimes was to splice bits of different monsters together, creating godforsaken chimeras to set upon their enemies. But it wasn't just beasts they tampered with─they had their wicked way with the beastmen, too. This merchant claims to have found a record of one of these experiments─they took a lizardman from the southern shores of Aldenard and crossed it with a vicious scalekin from across the Sea of Ash. The abomination that resulted from this unhappy union they christened "Lycidas."

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All I know is that classifying Allagan creations according to Raimdelle's system (the game's preferred bestiary taxonomy) is going to be a nightmare.

I'm also not sure how much I trust the Sharlayan's creations, yet.
The Library is lousy with voidsent; who knows what essence animates their creations. I sure hope it's just magick.

They did it to create a bright and prosperous future for all humanity, so it's all good, right? ("Yes Fenral, we get it, you're mad at the Allagans for convincing your brother-from-another-mother to seal himself in a time bubble. Enough already.")

Obligatory stabs aside, we have the Ixal all but confirmed, and if the "UFO" turns out to be related to Manukmanai, then it's entirely possible that the Vanu Vanu are as well. That leaves the Kobolds, Sahagin, Amal'jaa, Sylphs, Moogles, and Gnath. So let's go down the list.

Kobolds: do they even have a creation myth?
Amal'jaa: same as the Kobolds, we have very little on their history.
Sahagin: have some vague ties to Allagan creations such as the Lamia, but we have nothing on the Sahagin themselves. They're pretty similar to the Deep Ones, though, so my guess is they simply evolved underwater naturally.
Gnath: the Onemind seems like it would be tricky to engineer artificially, but we've never heard of Allagans backing down from a challenge. Nonmind could be a glitch in the software?
Sylphs: have a cultural memory older than Hydaelin herself, if Ramuh is any indication. Most likely predate Allag, but we thought Dalamud was older than Allag as well...
Moogles: we have nothing on them older than their covenant with Hraesvelgr, which is only a few thousand years old. I suppose they could have escaped from some Allagan facility or other? Hard to know.

Well, I remember ages ago several of us here (including you Moose as I recall) had a theory that the gigas at least were the result of Allagan genetic engineering and were created as a source of slave labour... given what we now though that theory is given increasing weight. After all, they even made cloning of the spoken possible (*cough* Unei and Doga *cough cough*) so this idea of the beastmen being the result of bizzare Allagan experiments just rings true.

Alas, that then blows holes in my own old theory that the 'early tribes' who were the original settlers of Eorzea back in the very First Astral Era after the Age of the Gods ended were not the spoken races at all but were actually the beastmen....

@Anonymoose,

Yeah there IS something there regarding aether-overexposure and mutation, but what? I'm not sure. At the very least I do they used their aetherochemical research to become those giant colorful things like Xande, Amon, Phlegmeton.

Lastly, we know that Sharlayans are scholars and collects/hoards as many knowledge as possible. It's pure speculation at this point, but I do think that magic behind the creation of Poroggos might have been from an older Era, hopefully predating the Allagans

Lastly, how can we classify these Frogs? They're frogs, but are also intelligent . I guess that's why they left them behind when Sharalayns evacuated some 15yrs ago. It's quite cruel to take out their free will and revert them back to Frogs.

Hmmm, I am starting to see why the Garleans were worried about the Sharlayans

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Well, I remember ages ago several of us here (including you Moose as I recall) had a theory that the gigas at least were the result of Allagan genetic engineering and were created as a source of slave labour.

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Indeed, we debated it back in January '14 because of the Gigas referring to Crystal Tower as a holy place to which they must return. A lot of possibilities were thrown around; early prototype clones (since they resemble the "upgraded" clones like Phlegethon and Xande), specifically created slave race, Allag devolution, red herrings. Given what we know now (and the Thorne Dynasty controlling them with "magicked helms" that they couldn't fix once they stopped working), created slave race seems to have some weight behind it now, I agree. Not all that different from the Cyclops, perhaps.

And not only the Ixal hint that these beings could form their own societies, there's a FATE in Azys Lla where "a slither" of Lamia become self-aware and attempt to make a break for it as a group.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Yeah there IS something there regarding aether-overexposure and mutation, but what?

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I suppose it's not out of the question that the processes are somehow related - aetherochemical and whatnot.
Controlled, systematic mutation could be part of the process.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Lastly, how can we classify these Frogs? They're frogs, but are also intelligent.

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If I remember correctly, the Poroggo of FFXI were created by a Tarutaru using the frogs of Windurst Waters way back in the Age of Magic. Despite this, they were considered a beastman race. Without more information, I'd probably start with Bloodborn > Spoken > Poroggo > Poroggo and go from there.

We can be sure that Moogles are not an allagan creations. Theirs stories of comes from the times before the first umbal era. So yea they pre date allag lol.

My theory is that quite a lot of the creatures plaguing modern Eorzea are, in fact, remnants and descendants of Allagan creations. We know they did a lot of experimentation involving the creation of creatures both for use in war and household pets. Perhaps Ochu and Kedtraps are related to the Corpse Flowers of Azyz Lla for example?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

My theory is that quite a lot of the creatures plaguing modern Eorzea are, in fact, remnants and descendants of Allagan creations. We know they did a lot of experimentation involving the creation of creatures both for use in war and household pets. Perhaps Ochu and Kedtraps are related to the Corpse Flowers of Azyz Lla for example?

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I can easily imagine the crazy minds of the Allagans inventing Morbols. That sounds like something they would come up with.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

I can easily imagine the crazy minds of the Allagans inventing Morbols. That sounds like something they would come up with.

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They're definitely a perfect fit for some sort of lethal bio-weapon. :p